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Wizard
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Court of Justice of the European Union ruling on VPN's, copyright, and "traveling".
https://www.techradar.com/vpn/vpn-pr...pyright-ruling
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That reminds me...I should really setup a second eReaderIQ email for AmazonUK watchlists. I end up missing a bunch of sales there unless I'm casually checking the Kobo UK Deals page.
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As far as I can tell the ruling indicates that publishers and VPN providers cannot be blamed for these copyright violations but I do not see any mention of the legal status of the people who are actually using the VPNs.
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I have not read the ruling--have read 2 U.S. court of appeals rulings today--but that is the kicker. Probably would not make financial sense to go after the readers.
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I simply have never understood the logic of these laws. If an American flies to London and buys a book from a British bookstore published by a British publisher, it's all fine. After all, the publisher and eventually the author get their money. If they skip the plane trip and buy the same book as an e-book, the publisher and author STILL get paid. What is the difference?
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Some publisher paid money to get the distribution rights in their area. If people there buy the books from some other publisher, then the one who bought the rights is going to get a bit sore and start wondering if what they got is worth what was charged. The whole system starts to fall apart if the distribution rights get watered down. So, both sides do their best to keep things working as expected for them. People buying books from anywhere they like is bad for the business of regional distribution rights.
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Also, publishers know they can't legally get away with stopping you from getting on a plane to buy a book published in a different country. They are much more optimistic about their ability to stop you from visiting a website to buy a book published in a different country, though. Digital goods offer far more options for restricting your rights than analogue goods do. If publishers could have implemented regional lockout codes into paperbacks so that you couldn't read them across international borders, they surely would have done so.
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The publishers agreed on a world carve-up, mostly for English language. Often it means reduced royalties for authors as not all publishers will take up the author. It's the geo-limiting that should be illegal, on anything, physical or downloads. It's at root a Cartel-like behaviour. Last edited by Quoth; Today at 09:57 AM. |
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They did with DVDs and BD, though DVD region locking is dead (though people with PAL/Secam regions don't want NTSC, 480 line vs 576 line! Or even 3:2 pull down) and BD are starting to offer some region free.
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However, I admit that I also use the "better to be paid than not" rationale for buying books abroad that aren't available in the US, even though I think it's a dingy gray area. I could always wait and see; I've got a lot to read already. It gets really, really dodgy when people "travel" to save money. Writers and corporations are entitled to the protections provided their intellectual property through copyright law. People are going to do what they're going to do but my opinion is that they should be honest about it at least to themselves instead of coming up with largely specious justifications for getting around restrictions. And I say that acknowledging that I can be just as hypocritical as anyone else. (See above.) |
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It is not commercially viable to travel to buy physical books, but it is trivial to do it online. So the restrictions have to be in place to prevent scalping and other misuse of the platform.
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This is a big part of it, but it is also more complicated than that. One can still buy books from another country and have them shipped. The internet makes things complicated for a whole bunch of laws, because someone physically in Europe can make a purchase in the US, there is a question of jurisdiction. So theoretically an online shop intending to sell to Americans can become a international business deal.
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Laws are rarely enacted to bring sense, order, and clarity to the general public.
I'm not saying I never break laws. But when I do, I don't pretend I'm somehow justified (or on the side of "sense") whenever I do so. I'm also going to mention that I hate the word travel (used in quotes) in this regard. One is not travelling. One is obfuscating, deceiving, and/or lying to get what one wants. Period. I'd have much more respect for people who say they thwart geo-restrictions and then stop before any "buts" or "becauses" come along. I personally jaywalk all the time. The End. Last edited by DiapDealer; Today at 02:28 PM. |
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