Should we expect Kindle devices 2027 with user-removable battery?

[Nephesh]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

[...]like you can sideload an apk. file on Android, can you?

Not quite. You go to a site on a browser on the phone and download a store form there. I don't know how many stores are there for EU's iPhones except Epic Games Store.
I don't know how Jailbroken iPhones scene work, maybe on them you can sideload.

[jackm8]

Originally Posted by Regina

Yes. In future, Amazon would have 2 options:
1. Have expensive replaceable battery for the entire world
2. Have European variants with detachable battery.

Both are expensive. Option 3 would be not sell newer kindles in Europe which would be too costly.

When mobile/tablet manufacturers were ordered to use usb as charging port, everyone just moved to usb for whole world. Although replaceable batteries pose some problems. It'll be very hard to design water poof devices with them in mind.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by jackm8

When mobile/tablet manufacturers were ordered to use usb as charging port, everyone just moved to usb for whole world. Although replaceable batteries pose some problems. It'll be very hard to design water poof devices with them in mind.

That would be USB-C ports for charging/data.

They will have to figure out how to make their devices with user replaceable batteries and be waterproof if they want their devices to remain waterproof.

I look forward to seeing what Readers, phone, tablets, etc look like when released after 2027 in the EU.

[rantanplan]

Current Kobo devices already have replaceable batteries that would match the requirements of the EU rules.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by jackm8

When mobile/tablet manufacturers were ordered to use usb as charging port, everyone just moved to usb for whole world. Although replaceable batteries pose some problems. It'll be very hard to design water poof devices with them in mind.

No, not hard at all.

[JSWolf]

It wasn't just a move to USB. It was a move to USB-C. A lot of devices already had USB. Apple's Lightning is USB. They just had to make sure they are using USB-C.

[Nephesh]

Originally Posted by Quoth

No, not hard at all.

Anyway, the law afaik says that if your device has anhigh IP thing (water and dust etc sealed) and at least 80% of batteries' initial health after 1000 full cycles of 0-100% recharges, they are permitted to be without user-removable batteries. I presume that was a win from the tech cartel. I wonder if the they anyway imposed technician-removable batteries.


Sources:

1. https://www.reddit.com/r/technology/...batteries_for/
2. https://repair.eu/news/making-batter...eu-guidelines/
3. https://www.techradar.com/phones/the...able-exception

[Quoth]

A stupid exemption.

[rcentros]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I think it would be better to have 1 variant with the replaceable battery.

I'm hoping Kobo does this with a new Libra BW.

You're tenacious on this subject.

[DNSB]

For waterproofing electronics today, using a conformal coating to protect the electronics from water seems to the preferred choice. The only true waterproof ereader (hermetically sealed) that I have seen is the Kobo Aura H2O with the USB/µSD slot cover. For a conformally coated device, you would have to re-coat the battery connector or solder points after replacing the battery.

[salamanderjuice]

Originally Posted by Quoth

That makes as much sense as a DVD player having apps. Little more sense than a fridge or toaster.

An ereader is a single use appliance. It's phones, Tablets, netbooks, chromebooks, laptops etc that should be easy to install to outside of a store. Sideloading is a term that should be boycotted as Google now suggests it's evil.
Google is locking down Android like iOS. MacOS and Win11 are drifting to walled gardens too.

Plenty of reasons. We unfortunately live in a world with DRM including on content for reading. There's apps and things for newspapers, books, comics, magazines, etc. sometimes for purchase or subscription that only work in an app or maybe a really well supported full featured web browser. Things that would also be nice to read on an eReader.

Plus you can use apps to add additional format support (e.g., DjVu) or features.

[Gormagon]

Since there are no real innovations coming out of the EU they just regulate things other nations produce and invent. As always it's important what the text of the regulations says and if there are any loopholes. Since nobody has linked the text of the regulation it's all speculation from people who haven't read the original text. I haven't read it either but then I don't speculate which type of devices will be sold in the EU in the future.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Gormagon

Since nobody has linked the text of the regulation it's all speculation from people who haven't read the original text. I haven't read it either but then I don't speculate which type of devices will be sold in the EU in the future.

I hate to pop your balloon but I have posted quotes from the relevant portion regulation's Section 11 and attached the PDF of the entire regulation on several occasions.

The most relevant clause to the discussion that seems to circle endlessly on MobileRead is the following:

Article 11, section 1, paragraph 2:

A portable battery shall be considered readily removable by the end- user where it can be removed from a product with the use of commercially available tools, without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless provided free of charge with the product, proprietary tools, thermal energy, or solvents to disassemble the product.

This makes it pretty clear that a battery door and drop in replacement is not part of this regulation.

As mentioned on multiple occasions, many of Kobo's ereaders with their easily removable back covers and batteries with either a connector or simple solder connections already meet the requirements of this regulation.

I have attached the English version of the EU regulation 2023/1542 to this message in the likely vain hope that this time someone will bother to read section 11.

[Quoth]

The DXG and K3 easily meet the rules, but at least one of the Oasis models is maybe impossible to open?

I agree, it doesn't at all require a hatch or door.

Are there actually any Kobos where the battery can't be user exchanged using regular tools?
The Touch, original Aura H2O, Nia, Libra, Libra 2, Sage and Elipsa all can be done. The original H2O is tricky to reassemble due to the bezel held on with a single piece of double sided tape.

Even a soldering iron isn't really a specialist tool. Lidl supermarket has often had ones and soldering two wires isn't hard.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DNSB

I hate to pop your balloon but I have posted quotes from the relevant portion regulation's Section 11 and attached the PDF of the entire regulation on several occasions.

The most relevant clause to the discussion that seems to circle endlessly on MobileRead is the following:


This makes it pretty clear that a battery door and drop in replacement is not part of this regulation.

As mentioned on multiple occasions, many of Kobo's ereaders with their easily removable back covers and batteries with either a connector or simple solder connections already meet the requirements of this regulation.

I have attached the English version of the EU regulation 2023/1542 to this message in the likely vain hope that this time someone will bother to read section 11.

Soldering is not simple enough for enough people. I don't consider that easily removable. I also don't think Kobo are easily removable. There are a lot of people who can't do it.