Is Mobius screen gone forever?

[Gormagon]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

As long as it's made after February 2027, it will have to have a user replaceable battery. That's when new EU law comes into effect.

"[I]t will have to have" is not relevant for the non-EU-ROW (rest of the world). It depends how large a market the EU is for a company for a certain device. Already many gadgets never make it to the EU or only via self-importing them.
The only thing the EU ist good at, is regulations...most of them redundant and useless (just like the EU) with the result that everything gets more expensive.
Large companies can handle the red tape very well, they employ enough people to take care of that. Small companies will have trouble with all the regulations in the EU. In the end that means less choice in the EU.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Gormagon

"[I]t will have to have" is not relevant for the non-EU-ROW (rest of the world). It depends how large a market the EU is for a company for a certain device. Already many gadgets never make it to the EU or only via self-importing them.
The only thing the EU ist good at, is regulations...most of them redundant and useless (just like the EU) with the result that everything gets more expensive.
Large companies can handle the red tape very well, they employ enough people to take care of that. Small companies will have trouble with all the regulations in the EU. In the end that means less choice in the EU.

You're biased.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Gormagon

"[I]t will have to have" is not relevant for the non-EU-ROW (rest of the world). It depends how large a market the EU is for a company for a certain device. Already many gadgets never make it to the EU or only via self-importing them.
The only thing the EU ist good at, is regulations...most of them redundant and useless (just like the EU) with the result that everything gets more expensive.
Large companies can handle the red tape very well, they employ enough people to take care of that. Small companies will have trouble with all the regulations in the EU. In the end that means less choice in the EU.

Kobo, Amazon, Apple, Pocketbook, Book, and many others sell in the EU. So why would have to follow the EU law when it comes into being. Sure some of these companies can make EU versions and no-EU version, but that's going to be more expensive and I think customers not in the EU would be pissed that they cannot easily replace the battery.

This law is not redundant and useless. One thing the EU did that helped was they got Apple to drop the lightning port in favor of USB-C. That was a good thing. This battery law will also be a good thing.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Kobo, Amazon, Apple, Pocketbook, Book, and many others sell in the EU. So why would have to follow the EU law when it comes into being. Sure some of these companies can make EU versions and no-EU version, but that's going to be more expensive and I think customers not in the EU would be pissed that they cannot easily replace the battery.

And Kobo is already compliant with the upcoming battery regulations as from reports elsewhere are several others. Do I need to post Section 11 again?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DNSB

And Kobo is already compliant with the upcoming battery regulations as from reports elsewhere are several others. Do I need to post Section 11 again?

For a lot of people, the battery is not easily replaceable so I don't think that meets the requirements of the law.

[Apollyon202]

Originally Posted by Gormagon

"[I]t will have to have" is not relevant for the non-EU-ROW (rest of the world). It depends how large a market the EU is for a company for a certain device. Already many gadgets never make it to the EU or only via self-importing them.
The only thing the EU ist good at, is regulations...most of them redundant and useless (just like the EU) with the result that everything gets more expensive.
Large companies can handle the red tape very well, they employ enough people to take care of that. Small companies will have trouble with all the regulations in the EU. In the end that means less choice in the EU.

You’re completely wrong. Though the EU is far from perfect, they’ve made some good regulations, including the USB-C requirement. Dunno how old you are, but back in the day before smartphones we had loads of different chargers, even within the same brand, it was a horror. Now everyone, including the snobby Apple, has to put USB-C in their devices, haha.

And by the way, whatever you say, EU is a good thing, period.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

For a lot of people, the battery is not easily replaceable so I don't think that meets the requirements of the law.

Jon, I have posted that section of the EU regulations several times. I have posted the relevant section once again. Please read those paragraphs paying particular attention to the words on the page especially the section I have bolded. Since current Kobo ereaders can have the battery removed and replaced without needing specialized tools, proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents, they qualify under this regulation. And no, a spudger, guitar pick, soldering iron and/or toothpick do not qualify as specialized or proprietary.

Article 11
Removability and replaceability of portable batteries and LMT batteries

1. Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those batteries are readily removable and replaceable by the end-user at any time during the lifetime of the product. That obligation shall only apply to entire batteries and not to individual cells or other parts included in such batteries.

• A portable battery shall be considered readily removable by the end-user where it can be removed from a product with the use of commercially available tools, without requiring the use of specialised tools, unless provided free of charge with the product, proprietary tools, thermal energy, or solvents to disassemble the product.
  
• Any natural or legal person that places on the market products incorporating portable batteries shall ensure that those products are accompanied with instructions and safety information on the use, removal and replacement of the batteries. Those instructions and that safety information shall be made available permanently online, on a publicly available website, in an easily understandable way for end-users.
  
• This paragraph shall be without prejudice to any specific provisions ensuring a higher level of protection of the environment and human health relating to the removability and replaceability of portable batteries by end-users laid down in any Union law on electrical and electronic equipment as defined in Article 3(1), point (a), of Directive 2012/19/EU.

[toady42]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Jon, I have posted that section of the EU regulations several times. I have posted the relevant section once again. Please read those paragraphs paying particular attention to the words on the page especially the section I have bolded. Since current Kobo ereaders can have the battery removed and replaced with needing specialized tools, proprietary tools, thermal energy or solvents, they qualify under this regulation. And no, a spudger, guitar pick, soldering iron and/or toothpick do not qualify as specialized or proprietary.

I believe you meant to write "without" above.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by toady42

I believe you meant to write "without" above.

Thanks for pointing out the error!