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Old 09-01-2025, 05:55 PM   #16
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Who are these "expert programmers"?
You’ll know them when you see them 😂.

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Array accessing is NOT user pointer/address arithmetic
In C it most definitely is. A[B] is by definition just another way of spelling
*((A)+(B)), which is clearly pointer arithmetic.

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Worry about improving performance after it's working.
For many applications performance is part of the definition of working, e.g. hard real-time control.


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Unless you are coding 200 Ms /s DSP or a tiny micro controller managing 1MHz signals, performance is the last thing to worry about.
Precisely my point- sometimes you *are* writing high speed DSP code or using tiny embedded processors (or kernel code, or memory management code, or any of a gazillion other areas where pointer arithmetic is useful).

What’s normal in one field isn’t necessarily so in others.
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Old 09-01-2025, 08:55 PM   #17
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Loved is not the same as produced the fastest and most stable software. Allowing that:

Applesoft Basic (as a hobbyist)
VB4, VB5, and VB6 (as a paid* developer)
Transact-SQL

Languages that I have used a lot and did not love so much include COBOL and VB.NET (I worked in a shop that was heavily Basic oriented).

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* I could say professional, but I always felt I was a paid amateur (not meant as an self-insult, just a statement).

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There's only three languages that I've enjoyed writing in are:
  • Basic
  • Basic HTML
  • Palm E-Book Format

With Basic I got good enough at it to single-handedly write an entire database program to track scheduled employee absences, and dealt with issues like coming up with a way to update a suspense date that is a certain number of workdays in the future (disregarding weekends). I designed it so that the first time you entered a date it would ask you what was the date that is 3 days in the future, and would use that date when I updated future scheduled employee absences.

With Basic HTML, and the Palm E-Book Format, I liked the simplicity of the formats. The formatting was easy to work with and reliable.
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A lot of my early programming was assembler code. I tried various Basics and BDS C plus SAM76, Pascal, APL, COBOL, FORTRAN, WATFOR, WATFIV, etc. I'm now mostly using C/C++, Python and The only for pay programming I did was assembler for building control systems where you had to squeeze every bit of performance out of a minimal amount of ROM and RAM while generating reliable code.
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I did like Forth, VB6, Modula-2 and JAL (PIC 16 & 18), but most of my paid programming jobs were in C++, C, Assembler (8051, 78HC11, Z80) and Java. The VB.net was a huge let down and inferior to C# or VB5, never mind VB6.

I don't count the paid work on web servers, SQL etc as actual programming as such. Never liked it anyway.
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