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the download of, and access to any Digital Content is available only to Customers and is intended only for such Customers’ personal and non-commercial use. Any other use of Digital Content downloaded or accessed from the Service is strictly prohibited.
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But even those books vendors generally state that you are purchasing a license and not actually owning the book. Since unlike Amazon, none of the other ereader brands I own have ever deleted books from my ereaders, I feel pretty safe that neither the books on my ereaders or in my calibre library will disappear on me.
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Grand Sorcerer
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As I already said, it's not possible to actually enforce it with a DRM-free file, once you've downloaded it. Assuming you've backed it up, no one can take it away from you. Whereas with a DRMed file, if the DRM server was shut down, your file would no longer be readable.
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Yeah, if a purchased ebook is DRM-free or I've removed the DRM, I consider it mine. They can "pry it out of my cold, dead hands".
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So those "licences" on selling sites are meaningless. Regular copyright laws apply. Photocopying or scanning an entire paper book to have a personal security copy or copying an ebook file for personal use is no different. |
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![]() And there is "social" DRM. For the the short term there is airplane mode on most readers, so no server contact (hopefully)? In the long term, if you need a new ereader you may be in trouble. And if you stick with a "popular" reader, the pattern seems to be that the DRM will eventually be cracked. And I recall people saying they copy the Adobe folder structure from reader to reader (so don't need to contact a server once a book was downloaded)? |
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Considering this you couldn't really say you owned the book, IMO. Of course there's DRM removal and all that, but the question was about owning the book legally, and while DRM removal for personal use may be legal in the US (not sure about that), it certainly isn't legal in the EU. ("You" in my post is rhetorical, of course, not specifically you). |
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Copyright law contains those restrictions on physical books, you may sell it, give it away but you can not make copies and sell them. With ebooks all you really need to do is follow copyright law, no need for a "license".
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Yeah they put it at the end of the monthly newsletter. I believe those will override any "licenses" Amazon or any other retailer. All they require is that you follow copyright law. bernie Quote:
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Retail T&C are not always enforceable or even legal. In almost all cases they would have to take civil action and prove loss / damages. There is nothing in copyright law that stops the transfer in entirety to someone when you are dead.
"Shrink wrap" (internal )T&C are unenforceable in most countries. Copyright is what counts. This "battle" was fought and lost by "publishers" and sellers of software*. Even transfer while you are alive is possible if there could be proof that you have no copies. They can only sue for breach of copyright. Anything else in T&C is misleading. Loans/Subscriptions are different. [* packages costing $10s of thousands, so the vendor risked going to court] |
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And while the links related to the eArcs no longer work, most of the other links do so your statement that "none of the links in that Newsletter actually work" is demonstrably false. Jon, please save your paranoia for those times that a minimal effort is not required to show that your post is well composted bovine manure. I'm reserving mine for why they do not appear to have posted the newsletter for either ebooks or print books since January. |
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