Meta admits to training LLM AI with terabytes of torrented copyrighted works. - Page 4

Quoth · 03-16-2025, 09:55 AM

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Originally Posted by salamanderjuice

It could be pirated lectures or lecture notes or a set of books. Doesn't really matter. Let's say expertise in web design. Is it stealing if the employee uses their "unlicensed" knowledge of web design to build the company webpage?

That's not what LLMs are doing. The businesses directly and deliberately scrape content to build them. They have admitted it, but want the rules changed.

You are muddying the water with irrelevant comparisons.

And companies have been prosecuted (well, successfully sued for using trade secrets obtained from former employees deliberately stealing the information and then being hired, though that also isn't the same as your example.

EDIT:
The LLM makers want special treatment, they want new laws especially to benefit them doing stuff that people and companies have been sued for. No need to make up hypothetical scenarios that are not even equivalent. They have all admitted it.

Quoth · 03-16-2025, 11:11 AM

and
https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/...ata_copyright/

SleepyBob · 03-17-2025, 10:58 AM

Since every country has its own copyright laws, it seems like one potential fallout of this could be that useful LLM models can only be created in countries that make it fair use.

I'm not sure it's a great spot to be in for LLM's to be in widespread use in China, North Korea, and Russia, but nowhere else.

Lavender · 03-24-2025, 03:08 AM

Laws have no meaning if their enforcement mechanisms do not equally penalize the criminals breaking them according to their level of wealth. If I was charged with this same thing, I’d be cratered out of existence. For these guys it’s just a startup cost.

DNSB · 03-31-2025, 10:44 PM

Interesting article in Ars Technica about Meta and torrenting. For those who have never used BitTorrent, one of it's most critical features is that downloaders also become seeders. You are not only downloading, you are also uploading that data to others. Meta admitted to seeding in one deposition where Michael Clark admitted that settings were modified "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur,". When you are discussing the terabytes of data that Meta admits to having downloaded, even a seeding ratio of 5% (which is going to have many BitTorrent clients scoffing at you and your download speed dropping rapidly) says they sent out multiple terabytes of data.

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03-16-2025, 11:11 AM	#47
Quoth Still reading Posts: 13,677 Karma: 103503501 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	and https://www.theregister.com/2025/03/...ata_copyright/

03-17-2025, 10:58 AM	#48
SleepyBob Evangelist Posts: 426 Karma: 8522810 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: Wisconsin, USA Device: Kindle PW3	Since every country has its own copyright laws, it seems like one potential fallout of this could be that useful LLM models can only be created in countries that make it fair use. I'm not sure it's a great spot to be in for LLM's to be in widespread use in China, North Korea, and Russia, but nowhere else.

03-24-2025, 03:08 AM	#49
Lavender Connoisseur Posts: 54 Karma: 514138 Join Date: Jan 2025 Device: Kobo Clara BW	Laws have no meaning if their enforcement mechanisms do not equally penalize the criminals breaking them according to their level of wealth. If I was charged with this same thing, I’d be cratered out of existence. For these guys it’s just a startup cost.

03-31-2025, 10:44 PM	#50
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 44,684 Karma: 168431851 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Interesting article in Ars Technica about Meta and torrenting. For those who have never used BitTorrent, one of it's most critical features is that downloaders also become seeders. You are not only downloading, you are also uploading that data to others. Meta admitted to seeding in one deposition where Michael Clark admitted that settings were modified "so that the smallest amount of seeding possible could occur,". When you are discussing the terabytes of data that Meta admits to having downloaded, even a seeding ratio of 5% (which is going to have many BitTorrent clients scoffing at you and your download speed dropping rapidly) says they sent out multiple terabytes of data. “Torrenting from a corporate laptop doesn’t feel right”: Meta emails unsealed