Amazon has removed Download & Transfer option

[Quoth]

Alexa, your pants are on fire!

[jonathan2022]

Could be something AI related but wouldn't you see that on the patent site you had listed

[Hellmark]

Originally Posted by drofgnal

Yea, I'd consider Kobo, but for the fact that when I did a cursory search of the same title books on kobo and amazon, kobo seemed to be higher priced. Plus I look at amazon deals of the day and get some good ones that way, ultra cheap. I'm reading the omnibus edition of the first three books of Dragonriders of Peru I got for 1.99.

For all the DRM removal I've done of books I've purchased, I never really go back and load books from calibre that much. So maybe it's time to just delete calibre and those books and forget about it.

In my experience outside of Amazon, you can still get a ton of free ebooks and discounts. I have long had a kindle, but it has never been my primary reader (I just got it for Amazon exclusives). Plus, I have had a far better experience with using my local library for ebooks on my ePub devices than my Kindle.

Originally Posted by salamanderjuice

Kobo price matches with Amazon, you get credit back. They also have deals of the day and because publishers set the price it's often the exact same ones just maybe on a different day.

You can also buy books from other places like Google Play books with Kobo, you're not stuck with just their store like Amazon.

Yup, I've bought very few books from Kobo. I usually hit up Google or B&N before I think to check Kobo, despite having a Kobo.

Originally Posted by Sirtel

It's nothing to do with publishers. After all, Adobe DRM, which the epub stores use, is much simpler to remove than Amazon DRM. This is Amazon wanting to completely shut you in, so that they could data mine you.

Bingo. The devices were never big earners for Amazon, it was always about the walled garden. I mean, why else would they put a stipulation in the license for their SDK that you couldn't support Amazon's DRM and any other DRM. That's why you don't see any non-Amazon eReader's that support Amazon.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

It's just the Kindles without WiFi that won't be able to get any eBooks.

But what non-wifi kindles are there? I can't remember if the first or second gen supported wifi alongside Whispernet, but I know from Gen 3 on, it had Wifi Support (I have 2 gen3s).

Originally Posted by jhowell

Amazon has announced a hardware related event at 10AM ET on February 26, the same day as the Download and Transfer cutoff. Panos Panay, their new head of hardware development who came to Amazon from Microsoft, is supposed to be there to show off new products. Speculation is that they relate to Alexa.

However his department is also responsible for Kindles. There may also be news on that front, and I don't mean good news.

Makes sense. New hardware that's more locked down, and I'd wager even something to surpass KFX.

Originally Posted by Quoth

They might just simply end eink kindles, Mac app & Windows app. Only have iOS and Android apps. The Fire is basically Android, so a version of the Android app. Exactly the sort of thing beancounters and an ex Microsoft person would like.

There is nothing compelling new that can do with eink, and for Amazon, control is important. The Alexa division is under pressure to save money.

The fire tablets are garbage though. I have two of the 10" ones, which were supposed to have better specs of the devices at the time, and from the very beginning it was extremely slow and would often be non-responsive. Unless they really step up their game, I don't see that happening. With an app, it is easier to leave the ecosystem, because you have less tying you to it. When you have hardware, there's an extra level holding you back. It is all about lock-in.

Originally Posted by salamanderjuice

It could happen but they're not going to do it at an event unless they have something they think will replace them. And I don't think an $80 LCD Amazon Fire is going to be a good replacement for the basic Kindle for a lot of people.

Yes, ex-head of the Surface division at Microsoft, Panos Panay. The Surface line of devices are quite nice, although not the usual cheap stuff Amazon hardware peddles.

This. They won't kill off something unless they have a really compelling replacement.

Originally Posted by issybird

It's all sheerest speculation of course, but I wouldn't expect a discount upgrade on a KK since they already offered one in 2022. A you snooze, you lose scenario. The 20% trade-in upgrade would still be available.

I know it's popular to harsh on Amazon especially right now and I've never been a fangirl, but I tend to think Amazon's been generous in terms of support and upgrade discounts on ancient Kindles. No device lasts forever.

How many were aware of that offer from 3 years ago? I mean, I wasn't, and I've always been fairly tuned in to the ebook industry and have 2 kindles. Even if you did know about it, the situation then wasn't quite the same as if they were killing off support for something. Much different not upgrading when your device still works well for you and not upgrading when your device has functions turned off because it is no longer supported (and being unable to buy books for it would be losing a function).

[gordonsj]

Originally Posted by issybird

It's all sheerest speculation of course, but I wouldn't expect a discount upgrade on a KK since they already offered one in 2022. A you snooze, you lose scenario. The 20% trade-in upgrade would still be available.

I know it's popular to harsh on Amazon especially right now and I've never been a fangirl, but I tend to think Amazon's been generous in terms of support and upgrade discounts on ancient Kindles. No device lasts forever.

My 3rd gen Kindle Keyboard is still my favourite device for reading in good light. I actually have several of these, there's an active market for them on ebay. They don't access the Kindle store anymore but they do download books from my Kindle library. They have robust wifi and the worldwide free 3g still works if I'm around a 3g mast. New batteries and screens are readily available and replacement is easy. Other parts can be swapped from other devices. I can see myself keeping one or more of these going practically forever so long as Amazon doesn't cut off access.

[rantanplan]

Originally Posted by Jedi425

Hey folks, I updated an old mass download script to work with Amazon's current scheme. You can find it here:

https://github.com/Jedi425/BulkKindl...er/tree/master

I've only tested it on Linux, so no idea if it works in Windows PowerShell/CMD.

You can also specify ASINs to download.

Get downloading, everyone!

IIUC, the script cannot find the login button or something

Traceback (most recent call last):
  File "/Users/daniel/Downloads/BulkKindleUSBDownloader/bookp.py", line 240, in <module>
    sys.exit(main())
             ~~~~^^
  File "/Users/daniel/Downloads/BulkKindleUSBDownloader/bookp.py", line 209, in main
    cookies, csrf_token, custid = create_session(args.email, password, oath,
                                  ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
                                         browser_visible=args.showbrowser, proxy=args.proxy)
                                         ^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/daniel/Downloads/BulkKindleUSBDownloader/bookp.py", line 36, in create_session
    browser.find_element(By.CSS_SELECTOR,'#gw-sign-in-button > span > a').click()
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/daniel/Downloads/BulkKindleUSBDownloader/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/selenium/webdriver/remote/webdriver.py", line 888, in find_element
    return self.execute(Command.FIND_ELEMENT, {"using": by, "value": value})["value"]
           ~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/daniel/Downloads/BulkKindleUSBDownloader/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/selenium/webdriver/remote/webdriver.py", line 429, in execute
    self.error_handler.check_response(response)
    ~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~~^^^^^^^^^^
  File "/Users/daniel/Downloads/BulkKindleUSBDownloader/venv/lib/python3.13/site-packages/selenium/webdriver/remote/errorhandler.py", line 232, in check_response
    raise exception_class(message, screen, stacktrace)
selenium.common.exceptions.NoSuchElementException: Message: no such element: Unable to locate element: {"method":"css selector","selector":"#gw-sign-in-button > span > a"}
  (Session info: chrome=133.0.6943.99); For documentation on this error, please visit: https://www.selenium.dev/documentation/webdriver/troubleshooting/errors#no-such-element-exception
Stacktrace:
0   chromedriver                        0x0000000100de6bac cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2724820
1   chromedriver                        0x0000000100ddf20c cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2693684
2   chromedriver                        0x0000000100945afc cxxbridge1$string$len + 93348
3   chromedriver                        0x000000010098c8f8 cxxbridge1$string$len + 383648
4   chromedriver                        0x00000001009cdb94 cxxbridge1$string$len + 650556
5   chromedriver                        0x0000000100980ba0 cxxbridge1$string$len + 335176
6   chromedriver                        0x0000000100daf664 cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2498188
7   chromedriver                        0x0000000100db2978 cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2511264
8   chromedriver                        0x0000000100d94d04 cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2389292
9   chromedriver                        0x0000000100db3220 cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2513480
10  chromedriver                        0x0000000100d85cec cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2327828
11  chromedriver                        0x0000000100dcf8d4 cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2629884
12  chromedriver                        0x0000000100dcfa5c cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2630276
13  chromedriver                        0x0000000100ddee80 cxxbridge1$str$ptr + 2692776
14  libsystem_pthread.dylib             0x00000001957842e4 _pthread_start + 136
15  libsystem_pthread.dylib             0x000000019577f0fc thread_start + 8

[olliebean]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Not sure about Chrome but it works with the Tampermonkey extension in Firefox.

I did make a couple of changes to the script. I changed the site to amazon.ca and also to the Purchased items page and dropped the wait time to 5000 ms from 14000.

// @match        https://www.amazon.ca/hz/mycd/digital-console/contentlist/booksPurchases/*

// Wait a little before processing the next dropdown
              await new Promise(resolve => setTimeout(resolve, 5000));

Works with Violentmonkey too. I got rid of the wait time entirely (just commented out that line in the code) - there's no reason why the script needs to wait for one download to finish before starting the next one.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Hellmark

But what non-wifi kindles are there? I can't remember if the first or second gen supported wifi alongside Whispernet, but I know from Gen 3 on, it had Wifi Support (I have 2 gen3s).

The K1, K2, DX, and DXG all did not have WiFi. They have cell service that may be either going away or gone.

[sitrucz]

With D&T going away I wanted to test liberating from my new PW6 so I bought two free books and copied both the kfx and the folder for each of the books to my Downloads folder. One of two books were liberated.

I did the same with my PW3 and both were liberated. I just wanted to pass this along that definitely an older device helps with liberation.

I’ve never done this before and from an eInk and maybe there’s a better way but wanted to test before the D&T service is shut down.


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[Josieb1]

I’m seeing this now too. Is there a way around this or am I going to have to buy from Kobo or Smashwords?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Josieb1

I’m seeing this now too. Is there a way around this or am I going to have to buy from Kobo or Smashwords?

If you ca remove the DRM from Kindle eBooks without D&T, then you can continue buying from Amazon. If you cannot, then you'll have to buy elsewhere.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by sitrucz

With D&T going away I wanted to test liberating from my new PW6 so I bought two free books and copied both the kfx and the folder for each of the books to my Downloads folder. One of two books were liberated.

I did the same with my PW3 and both were liberated. I just wanted to pass this along that definitely an older device helps with liberation.

I’ve never done this before and from an eInk and maybe there’s a better way but wanted to test before the D&T service is shut down.


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I did test 3 random eBooks with my PW3. All 3 were able to have the DRM removed and they were able to be converted to ePub. I am using the Alpha release of DeDRM.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by sitrucz

With D&T going away I wanted to test liberating from my new PW6 so I bought two free books and copied both the kfx and the folder for each of the books to my Downloads folder. One of two books were liberated.

I did the same with my PW3 and both were liberated. I just wanted to pass this along that definitely an older device helps with liberation.

I’ve never done this before and from an eInk and maybe there’s a better way but wanted to test before the D&T service is shut down.


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Did you put in the serial number of your PW6?

[Josieb1]

I get the message before I even select a kindle. I have three kindles all from the last two years.

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If you ca remove the DRM from Kindle eBooks without D&T, then you can continue buying from Amazon. If you cannot, then you'll have to buy elsewhere.

I was asking if anyone knew of a way to download my purchased ebooks without D&T.

[mobilis]

Originally Posted by cgsmom

I have heard several people mention Amazon deleteing sideloaded books. I have never had that happen. I leave my Kindles connected to wifi all the time and let them update whenever they want. However, I do use Send to Kindle to send my non-Amazon books to my Kindles so all my devices and apps will sync. Is that not the same as sideloading?

I just registered my old Kindle to AMAZON JP to read and download manga and it removed my entire backup classic-lit library.

Hundreds of books dating back to classical times, the Victorian and the Middle Ages.

Spoiler:

Good thing I'm a pessimist and backed it up.

Ps By the way, the downloads stopping blurb in on the Japanese Amazon site too.