Amazon removed books from my Kindle - Page 50

slm · 10-22-2024, 10:39 PM

As best I can tell, the terms of the "license" Amazon grants when "selling" an ebook are, in their entirety:

"Use of Kindle Content. Upon your download or access of Kindle Content and payment of any applicable fees (including applicable taxes), the Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Kindle Content (for Subscription Content, only as long as you remain an active member of the underlying membership or subscription program), solely through Kindle Software or as otherwise permitted as part of the Service, solely on the number of Supported Devices specified in the Kindle Store, and solely for your personal, non-commercial use. Kindle Content is licensed, not sold, to you by the Content Provider. The Content Provider may include additional terms for use within its Kindle Content. Those terms will also apply, but this Agreement will govern in the event of a conflict. Some Kindle Content, such as interactive or highly formatted content, may not be available to you on all Kindle Software.

Limitations. Unless specifically indicated otherwise, you may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense, or otherwise assign any rights to the Kindle Content or any portion of it to any third party, and you may not remove or modify any proprietary notices or labels on the Kindle Content. In addition, you may not attempt to bypass, modify, defeat, or otherwise circumvent any digital rights management system or other content protection or features used as part of the Service." (from https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201014950).
The only additional relevant text I can find on that page regards "risk of loss": "Risk of Loss. Risk of loss for Kindle Content transfers when you download or access the Kindle Content."

I'm not sure what this means in the context of the "cloud" Kindle library.

JSWolf · 10-23-2024, 09:35 AM

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Originally Posted by neil_swann80

The "1984" removal is just one topic covered. It also covers issues like Amazon changing the cover image for books in the device library. I think that this thread and the additional topics raised in the video demonstrate Amazon's attitude to their user's ebook libraries on Kindle devices.

Given that Amazon changed the edition of the book, does this mean that annotations may no longer be there or be correct?

jhowell · 10-23-2024, 10:20 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Given that Amazon changed the edition of the book, does this mean that annotations may no longer be there or be correct?

The cover thumbnail shown in the Kindle's library view reflects the current marketing cover for the book and automatically updates to match the latest cover that the publisher has provided for the product listing of the book. It can differ from the cover shown at the beginning of a Kindle book when reading.

In most cases if a publisher updates a Kindle book after publishing those who purchased the book continue to have whatever version was current at the time that they purchased it. In some cases the publisher can convince Amazon to make the change available to previous purchasers. Customers have the option to accept available changes or retain the original version of the book.

If a customer chooses to accept a new version Amazon uses an algorithm to match up equivalent parts of the old and new versions and migrates the location of annotations when possible. However it does not always work perfectly, especially if major changes have been made.

JSWolf · 10-23-2024, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

The cover thumbnail shown in the Kindle's library view reflects the current marketing cover for the book and automatically updates to match the latest cover that the publisher has provided for the product listing of the book. It can differ from the cover shown at the beginning of a Kindle book when reading.

In most cases if a publisher updates a Kindle book after publishing those who purchased the book continue to have whatever version was current at the time that they purchased it. In some cases the publisher can convince Amazon to make the change available to previous purchasers. Customers have the option to accept available changes or retain the original version of the book.

If a customer chooses to accept a new version Amazon uses an algorithm to match up equivalent parts of the old and new versions and migrates the location of annotations when possible. However it does not always work perfectly, especially if major changes have been made.

Thanks. That makes more sense.

Frumin · 01-08-2025, 03:29 PM

Hi, this just happened to me and found this forum. Turned on Wi-Fi after 2 years and lost all of my books that were sideloaded through Calibre.

Is there a turnaround for this yet? Has anyone found a safe way to import books without risking losing them if Wi-Fi is turned on?

Thank you.

Hollow Man · 01-08-2025, 03:33 PM

I believe if they're tagged as a personal document they won't get deleted.

You can also use "send to Kindle" to transfer epubs, and this will also prevent them from being deleted.

Frumin · 01-08-2025, 03:38 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollow Man

I believe if they're tagged as a personal document they won't get deleted.

Can I do that tag on the Kindle itself? Or is it done on Calibre?

Hollow Man · 01-08-2025, 03:38 PM

You'd have to set that flag in calibre.

Frumin · 01-08-2025, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollow Man

You'd have to set that flag in calibre.

Do you know by chance where that option is? Because I can't find it on Calibre.
Thank you so much for your help!

Hollow Man · 01-08-2025, 03:58 PM

Under KFX Output choose "Create personal document instead of book".

Frumin · 01-08-2025, 04:45 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hollow Man

Under KFX Output choose "Create personal document instead of book".

I can't find that option! (I can't set KFX as output)
I have the latest Calibre version.

Sirtel · 01-08-2025, 05:12 PM

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Originally Posted by Frumin

I can't find that option! (I can't set KFX as output)
I have the latest Calibre version.

That's an option if you convert to KFX. You also need the KFX output plugin and the Kindle Previewer. See here for instructions:
https://www.mobileread.com/forums//s...d.php?t=272407

Hollow Man · 01-08-2025, 05:15 PM

Yeah, I'm not sure what else one would want to convert to. But I used the kfx plugin, renamed the file to azw8, and then copied it over via USB.

Now I just convert to epub and send to kindle. I'm not happy about Amazon having a copy of my books I didn't get from them, but in my old age I tire of fighting city hall.

Sirtel · 01-08-2025, 05:23 PM

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Originally Posted by Hollow Man

Yeah, I'm not sure what else one would want to convert to.

Personally I preferred AZW3 - no hyphenation, no fixed line height, worked with the FONT_RAMP hack.

Hollow Man · 01-08-2025, 05:26 PM

Does amazon also delete azw3 files? I only know of it happening with kfx/azw8 since I experienced it.

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10-22-2024, 10:39 PM	#736
slm Fool Posts: 468 Karma: 4113712 Join Date: Feb 2003 Device: Kindle: Voyage,PW1,KOA, Kobo: Clara Colour, Nook GLP, Pocketbook verse	As best I can tell, the terms of the "license" Amazon grants when "selling" an ebook are, in their entirety: "Use of Kindle Content. Upon your download or access of Kindle Content and payment of any applicable fees (including applicable taxes), the Content Provider grants you a non-exclusive right to view, use, and display such Kindle Content (for Subscription Content, only as long as you remain an active member of the underlying membership or subscription program), solely through Kindle Software or as otherwise permitted as part of the Service, solely on the number of Supported Devices specified in the Kindle Store, and solely for your personal, non-commercial use. Kindle Content is licensed, not sold, to you by the Content Provider. The Content Provider may include additional terms for use within its Kindle Content. Those terms will also apply, but this Agreement will govern in the event of a conflict. Some Kindle Content, such as interactive or highly formatted content, may not be available to you on all Kindle Software. Limitations. Unless specifically indicated otherwise, you may not sell, rent, lease, distribute, broadcast, sublicense, or otherwise assign any rights to the Kindle Content or any portion of it to any third party, and you may not remove or modify any proprietary notices or labels on the Kindle Content. In addition, you may not attempt to bypass, modify, defeat, or otherwise circumvent any digital rights management system or other content protection or features used as part of the Service." (from https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...deId=201014950). The only additional relevant text I can find on that page regards "risk of loss": "Risk of Loss. Risk of loss for Kindle Content transfers when you download or access the Kindle Content." I'm not sure what this means in the context of the "cloud" Kindle library.

01-08-2025, 03:29 PM	#740
Frumin Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2025 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 10th Gen	Hi, this just happened to me and found this forum. Turned on Wi-Fi after 2 years and lost all of my books that were sideloaded through Calibre. Is there a turnaround for this yet? Has anyone found a safe way to import books without risking losing them if Wi-Fi is turned on? Thank you.

01-08-2025, 03:33 PM	#741
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	I believe if they're tagged as a personal document they won't get deleted. You can also use "send to Kindle" to transfer epubs, and this will also prevent them from being deleted.

01-08-2025, 03:38 PM	#743
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	You'd have to set that flag in calibre.

01-08-2025, 03:58 PM	#745
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	Under KFX Output choose "Create personal document instead of book".

01-08-2025, 05:15 PM	#748
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	Yeah, I'm not sure what else one would want to convert to. But I used the kfx plugin, renamed the file to azw8, and then copied it over via USB. Now I just convert to epub and send to kindle. I'm not happy about Amazon having a copy of my books I didn't get from them, but in my old age I tire of fighting city hall.

01-08-2025, 05:26 PM	#750
Hollow Man Evangelist Posts: 408 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: Connecticut Device: Kindle Colorsoft, Oasis, Keyboard; iPhone 13 Pro, Air	Does amazon also delete azw3 files? I only know of it happening with kfx/azw8 since I experienced it.