MobileRead Unite! Create a Logo for DRM-Free(liberated) ePUB - Page 3

JSWolf · 04-29-2009, 10:26 PM

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Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

This is what I came up with.

Can you post versions without the liberated bit in the logos please?

JSWolf · 04-29-2009, 10:28 PM

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Originally Posted by Ankh

Was it that obvious? Christmas wish fulfilled...

BTW, nice signature. Colourful.

Since most ePub we'll be reading will be on non-color eink screens, how about grayscale?

And thank you very much!

Ankh · 04-29-2009, 11:23 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Why not an ePub logo for DRM free ePub that doesn't push the fact in your face and one for ePub with DRM. Neither will say DRM free or not. All that will happen is that they will be different and that's how you will know.

I am somewhat skeptical about Adobe's adoption of "ePUB with DRM" logo. DRM is unpleasant subject, and usually presented as a fact of life, something not worth mentioning.

It is up to DRM-free content to emphasize the difference.

=X= · 04-30-2009, 12:35 PM

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Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

This is what I came up with.

Well I really like the art work!

My opinion is we should refrain from using any words like "ePUB".

For several reasons
1) This is an international logo
2) Logos get re sized and if this logo gets reduced to 16x16 or 8x8 the text will be illegible and the logo will not be recognized.

=X= · 04-30-2009, 01:04 PM

Okay here is what I was thinking of (Warning These are really ugly but the concpet is there, I hope people can see past my artistic skill)

The logo are 100x100 and 50x50

The idea behind one logo are as follow

Book+liberty torch:
Liberated ePUB (without DRM)

Book+globe (Format to dominate the world):
One eBook format to be accepted and used across the contents

Book + unity logo:
It's the Mayan Unity sign

Essentially one eBook format that unites: publishers + eReading devices + countries around the world.

Jellby · 04-30-2009, 01:09 PM

Well, I have the "final" versions of these logos. Note I'm not suggesting they are the best possible, they're just a suggested modification of the logos already available at http://threepress.org/epub/logos. I did versions with and without shadow. For the moment they are in http://djelibeibi.unex.es/files/freepub.htm, but I don't know how long I'll keep them there, is there enough interest to upload them to the wiki or something?

Personally, I'm not sure the DRM tag is a good idea, it seems to say the opposite from what we want to say.

PS. The SVG versions have a wrong page size (I couldn't get it right with Inkscape) and need the Steelfish font.

=X= · 04-30-2009, 01:09 PM

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Originally Posted by Madam Broshkina

This is what I came up with.

I really like the 2nd Icon the "e" in the globe silhouette.

I wonder if you could remove the "PUB" and "Liberated" and put the e globe around a book silhouette.

Like this. With your artistic skills I think you can make it look really nice.

=X=

=X= · 04-30-2009, 01:17 PM

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Well, I have the "final" versions of these logos. Note I'm not suggesting they are the best possible, they're just a suggested modification of the logos already available at http://threepress.org/epub/logos. I did versions with and without shadow. For the moment they are in http://djelibeibi.unex.es/files/freepub.htm, but I don't know how long I'll keep them there, is there enough interest to upload them to the wiki or something?

Can you show some small scale Icons. I'd be interested in seeing how they would look if the are srunk to 50pts or smaller.

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Originally Posted by Jellby

Personally, I'm not sure the DRM tag is a good idea, it seems to say the opposite from what we want to say.

Yes I agree, that's part of the reason why I have been calling int "liberated" ePUB.

=X=

Jellby · 04-30-2009, 01:26 PM

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Originally Posted by =X=

Can you show some small scale Icons. I'd be interested in seeing how they would look if the are srunk to 50pts or smaller.

Yes, reload the page. At the bottom there are 100px and 50px versions. At 50px they look terrible, but the idea (or my idea

) was not to use them as small icons for files, but as a logo to put in web pages, covers, books, etc. At 100px I think they are fine.

DaleDe · 04-30-2009, 02:24 PM

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Originally Posted by =X=

Can you show some small scale Icons. I'd be interested in seeing how they would look if the are srunk to 50pts or smaller.

Yes I agree, that's part of the reason why I have been calling int "liberated" ePUB.

=X=

Liberated implies that it was previously not liberated which implies that DRM was removed or it was in prison somehow. That is not the image that should be projected either. DRM free is better than liberated IMHO. unencrypted would be another choice although longer.

Dale

Ankh · 04-30-2009, 05:29 PM

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Originally Posted by =X=

Book+globe (Format to dominate the world):
One eBook format to be accepted and used across the contents

One ring to rule them all, one ring to find them...

rhadin · 04-30-2009, 06:51 PM

I like the idea of wanting a universal logo but you are making it much too complex; it is a simple message that you want to get across. The logo should be (1) universally recognizable even by someone who cannot read an alphabetic language and (2) can be made small enough to be placed next to a book in a list such as the book list you get at Fictionwise.

Try something simple, like a stylized e with a minus sign to indicate DRM-free and the same stylized e with a plus sign to indicate DRM. As much as I would like all books to be available in DRM-free ePub, that is not realistic over the short-term, so what we should want is simply an icon that tells us whether the particular book is DRM-free or DRM-laden.

I also think certain things are unnecessary. For example, it seems to me to be unnecessary to spell out that the format is ePub. It is also unnecessary to use words to indicate DRM-free.

Elfwreck · 04-30-2009, 07:10 PM

Maybe the stylized e-with-red-crescent logo with wings for no DRM, or attached to a lock (or an anchor) for ePub with DRM.

I don't like "plus" for "with DRM" and "minus" for "without DRM;" it implies that DRM-free books are lacking something, rather than that they are more accessible.

The symbol needs to be:

Scalable to 25x25 pixels or so, preferably 16x16,
Not dependent on color,
Functional for people who don't speak/read English (a letter or two is fine; a word is not),
Elegant enough to appeal to people (ebook providers, ranging from publishing houses to bloggers who offer their archives as ebooks) who don't give a damn about accurate file labels or the DRM issues.

gerraldo · 04-30-2009, 10:57 PM

just a quick attempt...

Ankh · 04-30-2009, 11:05 PM

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Originally Posted by gerraldo

just a quick attempt...

Dangerously similar to the Internet Explorer icon.

04-30-2009, 01:04 PM	#35
=X= Wizard Posts: 3,671 Karma: 12205348 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Galaxy S, Nook w/CM7	Okay here is what I was thinking of (Warning These are really ugly but the concpet is there, I hope people can see past my artistic skill) The logo are 100x100 and 50x50 The idea behind one logo are as follow Book+liberty torch: Liberated ePUB (without DRM) Book+globe (Format to dominate the world): One eBook format to be accepted and used across the contents Book + unity logo: It's the Mayan Unity sign Essentially one eBook format that unites: publishers + eReading devices + countries around the world. Attached Images Last edited by =X=; 04-30-2009 at 01:07 PM.

04-30-2009, 07:10 PM	#43
Elfwreck Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,187 Karma: 25133758 Join Date: Nov 2008 Location: SF Bay Area, California, USA Device: Pocketbook Touch HD3 (Past: Kobo Mini, PEZ, PRS-505, Clié)	Maybe the stylized e-with-red-crescent logo with wings for no DRM, or attached to a lock (or an anchor) for ePub with DRM. I don't like "plus" for "with DRM" and "minus" for "without DRM;" it implies that DRM-free books are lacking something, rather than that they are more accessible. The symbol needs to be: Scalable to 25x25 pixels or so, preferably 16x16, Not dependent on color, Functional for people who don't speak/read English (a letter or two is fine; a word is not), Elegant enough to appeal to people (ebook providers, ranging from publishing houses to bloggers who offer their archives as ebooks) who don't give a damn about accurate file labels or the DRM issues.

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04-30-2009, 01:09 PM	#36
Jellby frumious Bandersnatch Posts: 7,570 Karma: 20150435 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Spaniard in Sweden Device: Cybook Orizon, Kobo Aura	Well, I have the "final" versions of these logos. Note I'm not suggesting they are the best possible, they're just a suggested modification of the logos already available at http://threepress.org/epub/logos. I did versions with and without shadow. For the moment they are in http://djelibeibi.unex.es/files/freepub.htm, but I don't know how long I'll keep them there, is there enough interest to upload them to the wiki or something? Personally, I'm not sure the DRM tag is a good idea, it seems to say the opposite from what we want to say. PS. The SVG versions have a wrong page size (I couldn't get it right with Inkscape) and need the Steelfish font.

04-30-2009, 06:51 PM	#42
rhadin Literacy = Understanding Posts: 4,833 Karma: 59674358 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The World of Books Device: Nook, Nook Tablet	I like the idea of wanting a universal logo but you are making it much too complex; it is a simple message that you want to get across. The logo should be (1) universally recognizable even by someone who cannot read an alphabetic language and (2) can be made small enough to be placed next to a book in a list such as the book list you get at Fictionwise. Try something simple, like a stylized e with a minus sign to indicate DRM-free and the same stylized e with a plus sign to indicate DRM. As much as I would like all books to be available in DRM-free ePub, that is not realistic over the short-term, so what we should want is simply an icon that tells us whether the particular book is DRM-free or DRM-laden. I also think certain things are unnecessary. For example, it seems to me to be unnecessary to spell out that the format is ePub. It is also unnecessary to use words to indicate DRM-free.

04-30-2009, 10:57 PM	#44
gerraldo Anti-DRM Advocate Posts: 351 Karma: 960 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Vienna/Austria Device: CyBook Gen 3, Palm Tungsten T3	just a quick attempt...