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Old 04-14-2024, 09:16 PM   #2536
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Even worse is a tacky romance that the author has used SF or fantasy elements so it can be stuck under SFF/Fantasy when really, it's a really tacky romance.
In my early e-reading days, I got a Nook freebie, supposedly a mystery. In actuality, it was a VERY explicit romance (if you could even call it romance, I wouldn't), with pretty much one sex scene following another. A mystery was not terribly in evidence. It's not often I don't finish a book, but that one was indeed a DNF and a prompt deleting from my library.

It was clearly meant for a different market than the average mystery reader, and should never have shown up prominently in the mystery category.
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Old 04-15-2024, 01:15 AM   #2537
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Even worse is a tacky romance that the author has used SF or fantasy elements so it can be stuck under SFF/Fantasy when really, it's a really tacky romance.
If a romance has fantasy or SF elements it belongs in both SFF/fantasy and romance. Just like if it is a crime mystery, a romance, and a historical novel, it belongs in all those categories.

But I do think online bookshops are really, really bad at helping people find books. A filter that let's you exclude things seems like a no-brainer (show me books tagged with SFF but not romance), but I haven't seen it anywhere. It would also help if a book could have a primary category, so you'd know if it was a romance in an SFF setting, or an SFF book with a romantic subplot.
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Old 04-15-2024, 01:21 AM   #2538
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And I like my romances done like a golden age cosy detective story and a HEA. Not tacky. The setting doesn't matter as long as it is properly done.
You might like Proper English by KJ Charles. Early 1900s, a house party where one of the guests is found murdered, and two of the guests falling in love while sleuthing. It's mainly a romance, but the crime mystery is also good.
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In actuality, it was a VERY explicit romance...
One good parameter would be the amount of sex content.

Maybe books should use "spoiler" links more often? "If you're not interested in the math derivation, skip to page 116." "If you're not interested in what Matt and Zoe got up to in the Cave of Delights, skip to page 223."
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Maybe you should just pick books written by authors that you trust to write the kind of books you want to read?
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Maybe you should just pick books written by authors that you trust to write the kind of books you want to read?
Maybe. But I like a wide variety of authors and most aren't James Patterson with a zillion books.
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If a romance has fantasy or SF elements it belongs in both SFF/fantasy and romance. Just like if it is a crime mystery, a romance, and a historical novel, it belongs in all those categories.

But I do think online bookshops are really, really bad at helping people find books. A filter that let's you exclude things seems like a no-brainer (show me books tagged with SFF but not romance), but I haven't seen it anywhere. It would also help if a book could have a primary category, so you'd know if it was a romance in an SFF setting, or an SFF book with a romantic subplot.
The problem is that there are proper SFF/Fantasy with some romance. But the romance is not the main focus of the story. If bookstores were to allow filtering out based on sub-genre, then tacky romance is a good once. The type of book with the cover that has the bare chested male who just happens to be green is what I want gone. Those types of books are truly awful.
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Those types of books are truly awful.
Eh, I don't think we have to get judgemental.
I don't need books with naked torsos on the cover, but apparently someone does.

Even basic metadata has gone out the window. My library tells me that "Pride and Prejudice" has a "release date" of 2010. I can set a filter for English language and still see lots of unreadable (to me) books listed. So why would you expect hard science fiction to be differentiated from leprechauns?
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If a romance has fantasy or SF elements it belongs in both SFF/fantasy and romance. Just like if it is a crime mystery, a romance, and a historical novel, it belongs in all those categories.
Yes. The idea a novel has only one genre is modern. Though putting misleading tags is wrong.

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But I do think online bookshops are really, really bad at helping people find books. A filter that let's you exclude things seems like a no-brainer (show me books tagged with SFF but not romance), but I haven't seen it anywhere. It would also help if a book could have a primary category, so you'd know if it was a romance in an SFF setting, or an SFF book with a romantic subplot.
All true. Actually Amazon is the worst, because they are so determined to give you results. So much that searching Amazon using DuckDuckGo works better. Yet sometimes the web search returns items (generally, not just books) that are never returned searching on Amazon. Kobo is a little better.

What ever happened to qualified searches like we had over 20 years ago, like using AND, OR, NOT and brackets, not just quotes?

Why does Amazon return other authors on the Author search and leave out books that are actually available?

They can't even sort a "wish list" with only Kindle ebooks in it from low to high price properly.

It's not just the publishers / authors. On almost all the sites when you publish you select two or three genres and the order is supposed to be significant. Then you choose tags. Also you put the series name.

Yet the customers can't search on these!

The obsession with advertising and paid promotions has totally broken what search they have.
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Maybe. But I like a wide variety of authors and most aren't James Patterson with a zillion books.
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I just tried this with Tamora Pierce. One of the authors suggested was Stephenie Meyer. 🤣 I’m killing myself. It’s only 8:40 am and this just might be the best laugh of my day!
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Eh, I don't think we have to get judgemental.
I don't need books with naked torsos on the cover, but apparently someone does.
I'm not talking the bulk standard half-naked guy on the cover. I get those. It's the ones with the half-naked alien on the cover that are worse then awful.
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I just tried this with Tamora Pierce. One of the authors suggested was Stephenie Meyer. 🤣 I’m killing myself. It’s only 8:40 am and this just might be the best laugh of my day!
Stephenie Meyer did write The Host. I'm thinking that's the book that got the hit.
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What if I don't know who those authors are?
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Stephenie Meyer did write The Host. I'm thinking that's the book that got the hit.

That is true but it’s still laughable. I’ve read all of Meyer’s books. I wouldn’t but these two anywhere near each other.
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