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Old 04-25-2009, 09:42 PM   #46
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Assumed these things have really happened or are about to happen (living a delusion of separation from the Tao): Could we both be alive and "human" if these things never had happended/aren't about to happen?
Nothing is happening.
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Old 04-25-2009, 09:49 PM   #47
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Actually, I find Lady Blue's questions so much easier to answer:

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"what puts humans at the top of the food chain?"
Superior firepower

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"what makes us humane?"
An "E" at the end of our names. Beyond that, the word does not really define all humans...

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"what makes us so different from all other species on the planet?"
Nothing. We're different, but not by that much.
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Old 04-25-2009, 10:03 PM   #48
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"what makes us so different from all other species on the planet?"
We have eBook readers? And actually know what they're for! And how to use them.

well, some of us anyway.
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:04 AM   #49
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"what makes us so different from all other species on the planet?"
The damage that we do?
Are we a disease?
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Old 04-26-2009, 04:43 AM   #50
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we call ourselves 'human',
cats are called 'cats', dogs - 'dog', zebras - 'zebras' etc, all the way through fauna and flora -


what do they call us ?
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Old 04-26-2009, 08:36 AM   #51
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An "E" at the end of our names. Beyond that, the word does not really define all humans...
...nor any humans, perhaps. Humane is an ideal - what we would like to think ourselves as. But look around.
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Old 04-26-2009, 10:16 AM   #52
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indeed - look around; and we are all supposed to be related (to the umpteenth grandma & pa !) ....

To be Human; is that not the ability and seemingly blind willingness to wreck our home and all that live on her ?
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Old 04-26-2009, 10:21 AM   #53
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Do we give a damn? The answer is clear.
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Old 04-26-2009, 11:16 AM   #54
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To be Human; is that not the ability and seemingly blind willingness to wreck our home and all that live on her ?
Naw... that also defines locusts.
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:19 PM   #55
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...nor any humans, perhaps. Humane is an ideal - what we would like to think ourselves as. But look around.
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Naw... that also defines locusts.
Nihilist much? Super Holy Children and Virulent Cancer are not the only options.
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Old 04-26-2009, 02:56 PM   #56
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Nihilist much? Super Holy Children and Virulent Cancer are not the only options.
Is there tangible evidence (i.e., that morals and "humanity" exist without humans)? Lacking any, these must be human constructs. In which case I'll stick with the characterization of Virulent Cancer. I'm not particularly happy about being an organism of that cancer but it seems an apt description.
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Old 04-26-2009, 03:25 PM   #57
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Nothing is happening.
Argh...now i'm really confused, which btw. seems to be typically human to me.
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Old 04-26-2009, 03:29 PM   #58
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The question is kind of too unspecific. Better questions are: What is a person (personhood)? What is human nature? What is a moral agent?
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Nihilist much? Super Holy Children and Virulent Cancer are not the only options.
Actually, the answers given have indicated that we are neither SuperHoly Children nor Virulent Cancer. So we must be something else.

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Is there tangible evidence (i.e., that morals and "humanity" exist without humans)? Lacking any, these must be human constructs. In which case I'll stick with the characterization of Virulent Cancer. I'm not particularly happy about being an organism of that cancer but it seems an apt description.
Various of the traits we describe as "morals" and "humanity" towards others have been documented in primates, ceteceans, canines, and the family/group behavior of many species.
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Do we give a damn? The answer is clear.
Ah yes - if only we were all like Michael!!!
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