Code bloat. What is it?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by paperwhite13

That doesn’t answer my question But anyway -- of course the code is harder to read, but that's not the point, epubs are meant to be read as ebooks, not opened and judged for code legibility. If an ebook was already styled to your preference or you managed to style it externally from an ereader with extensive options (like KOReader) -- meaning you had no reason to open the epub code, you wouldn’t be able to tell the difference between a version with ids and one without. And that's what most people do -- they read the book and they don't notice the extraneous classes, or ids, or comments. Because those things don't do anything.

We are not talking about people who do not look at the code. We are talking about the code and best practices.

[paperwhite13]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

We are not talking about people who do not look at the code. We are talking about the code and best practices.

You've just declared that the pagelist is 'rubbish'. These are your best practices and yours alone. Good luck with revolutionizing ebook publishing.

[DNSB]

Sadly trying to change Jon's mind seems to be impossible. Features that he has no need for are not to be used by anyone or they are producing junk ePubs.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by paperwhite13

You've just declared that the pagelist is 'rubbish'. These are your best practices and yours alone. Good luck with revolutionizing ebook publishing.

I didn't say the pagelist is rubbish. I said the description given of the pagelist is rubbish. That's completey different. The pagelist does not give a list of page breaks. It mimics a pBook's set of page numbers.

Answer this conundrum that you didn't answer before...

An eBook is released at the same time as the hardcover edition. So the eBook has a pagelist based on the hardcover. You are a student using the eBook. The teacher is using the paperback edition. What do you do when the teacher says to go to page 145 and your page 145 is not the same?

[DNSB]

Oddly, very few textbooks seem to have paperback editions probably since the inflated prices make it hard to justify a paperback edition. If you happen to remember your university level courses, most of the textbooks tend to change fairly rapidly, mostly I suspect to keep the second hand textbook business under control.

At UBC and SFU, their bookstores sell both digital and physical versions of required textbooks and, yes, the professors use the same hardcover edition as assigned to the students though the faculty pricing tends to be quite a bit lower than the student price.

[paperwhite13]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The list of links to page breaks is rubbish. Programs already have a go to function and you'd need to know where to go be it a pagelist or not.

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I didn't say the pagelist is rubbish. I said the description given of the pagelist is rubbish. That's completey different. The pagelist does not give a list of page breaks. It mimics a pBook's set of page numbers.

I have both quotes from you here and everyone can assess for themselves how much you understand what you're talking about. At this point, I have no interest in changing your mind, it's less talking to you than talking about you. For someone who doesn't care about pagelists, you sure are putting a lot of effort into coming up with unlikely scenarios to prove (to whom?) they're a bad idea.

[Karellen]

Hmmm, for me the two quotes show that jswolf is right. He did not say pagelist is rubbish. He said that "links to page breaks" is rubbish, which is not pagelist.

[paperwhite13]

Originally Posted by Karellen

Hmmm, for me the two quotes show that jswolf is right. He did not say pagelist is rubbish. He said that "links to page breaks" is rubbish, which is not pagelist.

This is the DAISY Consortium definition he's referring to:

The page list is a simple ordered list of links to the page break locations. It is identified by the epub:type attribute value page-list.

So when he said "links to page breaks is rubbish", and "the description given of the pagelist is rubbish." did he or did he not contest that definition? What does "the description given of the pagelist is rubbish" mean when referring to a page dedicated to good practices about a certain feature by someone who doesn’t care or really know much about said feature?

[paperwhite13]

DAISY Consortium definition: page list = list of links to the page break locations
he is either saying
page list = rubbish
or
DAISY Consortium definition of page list = rubbish

Which one is it?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by paperwhite13

DAISY Consortium definition: page list = list of links to the page break locations
he is either saying
page list = rubbish
or
DAISY Consortium definition of page list = rubbish

Which one is it?

The definition is rubbish.

[paperwhite13]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

The definition is rubbish.

Thank you. I rest my case.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Oddly, very few textbooks seem to have paperback editions probably since the inflated prices make it hard to justify a paperback edition. If you happen to remember your university level courses, most of the textbooks tend to change fairly rapidly, mostly I suspect to keep the second hand textbook business under control.

At UBC and SFU, their bookstores sell both digital and physical versions of required textbooks and, yes, the professors use the same hardcover edition as assigned to the students though the faculty pricing tends to be quite a bit lower than the student price.

I'm not talking a textbook. In school we've read books that were not textbooks. So if your version and the teachers does not line up because the page numbers do not match, you cannot go to the same page.

[paperwhite13]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm not talking a textbook. In school we've read books that were not textbooks. So if your version and the teachers does not line up, you cannot go to the same page.

For the sake of the argument, let's say the curriculum makers are so foolish so as to fail to foresee this situation. The situation you've described actually happens. What then? What is your point? Does it have to do with page lists?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by paperwhite13

For the sake of the argument, let's say the curriculum makers are so foolish so as to fail to foresee this situation. The situation you've described actually happens. What then? What is your point? Does it have to do with page lists?

Also, what is the need of a pagelist in a book like Random in Death?

[paperwhite13]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Also, what is the need of a pagelist in a book like Random in Death?

So your answer to a question is to change subject and reply with another question?

What if:

1. the situation you've described before actually happens (the ebook pages and the pbook pages don't match);

2. someone on the Internet fails to tell you what the need of a pagelist for Random in Death is?

What do you think it should be done in each case? What is your point?