Amazon removed books from my Kindle

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I put on some eBooks converted by calibre and some by Kindlegen. The Kindlegen eBooks, I put on as dual-mobi and KF8 (split with KindleUnpack). I turned on WiFi and did a sync. I still have my side-loaded content.

Any way to get any of it to be deleted?

You need to keep your Kindle offline for a few weeks, at least, and then turn wifi on again. If you turn wifi on often, your sideloaded content won't get deleted.

[haertig]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

You need to keep your Kindle offline for a few weeks, at least, and then turn wifi on again. If you turn wifi on often, your sideloaded content won't get deleted.

Is Amazon using this as some kind of punishment for staying offline too long?

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by haertig

Is Amazon using this as some kind of punishment for staying offline too long?

Amazon has a long history of glitchiness in kindle and server behavior.

It's already been suggested and widely agreed that this is probably a bug.

Did you miss that?

[haertig]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

It's already been suggested and widely agreed that this is probably a bug.

And it has also been suggested/implied that this may be intentional. See your own post #116 in this thread.

Did you miss that?

No I didn't miss it. But if someone makes a suggestion, is that supposed to be the end-all answer and close the issue to any further discussion?

Personally, I would think that any company worth their salt would take seriously users concerns that their data is being deleted from their devices, if that company did not intend to do that. Furthermore, there are many in this thread who report it happening to them. So the problem appears to be repeatable. And not all that rare. There are probably precious few places in Amazons Kindle software where the code actually deletes anything. It should be pretty straightforward for a software developer to be able to backtrack from those places and trace down a triggering event. This does not feel like a corruption issue where there was no coded "delete" operation in play. Everything on the Kindle appears fine from reports I have read - except for the deleted content. Those are not the footprints of a random corruption issue.

So FWIW, even though "it's been suggested" that this is a bug, I am not in total agreement with that suggestion quite yet. My main reason being that it does not appear to be a bug by the way Amazon is treating it. They seem to be ignoring it. A bug that deletes user data? That's a heck of a thing to ignore, even for Amazon. This does not pass the smell test. From what people have reported in this thread, I think the deletion is intentional. That's just my theory. "Intentional" is not a synonym for "malicious". It could just be misguided logic. Or it could be just a stupid thing to do, that they didn't think through initially.

[JSWolf]

What's the point of a Kindle for anyone who side-loads and uses WiFi? Nothing at all!

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by haertig

So FWIW, even though "it's been suggested" that this is a bug, I am not in total agreement with that suggestion quite yet. My main reason being that it does not appear to be a bug by the way Amazon is treating it.

You're certain that's your main reason? Because attributing something to malice that's easily explained by incompetence, the slow grinding wheels of workplace bureaucracy--or any other number of non-malicious possibilities, really--seems a bit myopic.

What's the financial benefit for greedy, evil Amazon in purposely deleting side-loaded books from the devices of the miniscule number of users who sideload books AND leave their WiFi off for large swathes of time?

[John F]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

You need to keep your Kindle offline for a few weeks, at least, and then turn wifi on again. If you turn wifi on often, your sideloaded content won't get deleted.

Was it that, or clock drift? Maybe try setting the clock on Kindle back (or forward) a couple of hours and see what happens.

[neil_swann80]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What's the point of a Kindle for anyone who side-loads and uses WiFi? Nothing at all!

I'm finding myself in one of those rare occasions whereby I'm in total agreement with the Resident Curmudgeon.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by John F

Was it that, or clock drift? Maybe try setting the clock on Kindle back (or forward) a couple of hours and see what happens.

You can't do that some Kindles.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

What's the financial benefit for greedy, evil Amazon in purposely deleting side-loaded books from the devices of the miniscule number of users who sideload books AND leave their WiFi off for large swathes of time?

I agree. There is no benefit to Amazon and after the Orwell debacle they won't do such a thing.

It has to be a small percentage of 'sideloaders', who indeed are a small percentage of Kindle users or it would be in the mainstream media and no-one wants bad publicity.

So it's a mistake / bug thing. It would work a bit better if deliberate.

[John F]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What's the point of a Kindle for anyone who side-loads and uses WiFi? Nothing at all!

The browser (I am aware that people think it is slow)? Wiki? Firmware updates?

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by John F

The browser (I am aware that people think it is slow)? Wiki? Firmware updates?

Firmware updates can be downloaded here from Amazon

The browser (any browser on any eink) is ghastly. Even a phone or tablet that has OTG and a file manager is better to sideload downloads on any Mass Storage Mode ereader (never tested if an MTP device can mount).

Wikipedia: Uses Browser. See above.

So if you are sideloading ebooks there is no need to use the WiFi, ever.

If you get all the ebooks via Amazon (inc using Send to Kindle elsewhere), you don't need USB.

Also most people read Amazon ebooks on a Kindle App, so they will be using mobile-cell or WiFi.

[jlinear]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What's the point of a Kindle for anyone who side-loads and uses WiFi? Nothing at all!

I side-load and usually keep WiFi off. Also do manual updates. My mistake was joining Kindle Unlimited to download some content. One of the rare times I turned WiFi on. It didn’t turn out well.

[JSWolf]

Would waiting until next Sunday get books deleted from my PW3?

[John F]

Originally Posted by Quoth

Firmware updates can be downloaded here from Amazon

The browser (any browser on any eink) is ghastly. Even a phone or tablet that has OTG and a file manager is better to sideload downloads on any Mass Storage Mode ereader (never tested if an MTP device can mount).

Wikipedia: Uses Browser. See above.

All true.

So if you are sideloading ebooks there is no need to use the WiFi, ever.

Not true. For you (and Jon) maybe, for anybody/everybody else, no.