Where is the stripping of DRM legal? - Page 2

tompe · 04-21-2009, 06:16 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

No. Merely a completely fictitious rumour.

I do not think that was a specific rumour that appeared.

What is true is that your electronics can be confiscated when entering the US without any suspicion:

http://blog.unila.ac.id/muji/2008/08...d-your-laptop/

wayrad · 04-21-2009, 06:58 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

I do not think that was a specific rumour that appeared.

What is true is that your electronics can be confiscated when entering the US without any suspicion:

http://blog.unila.ac.id/muji/2008/08...d-your-laptop/

At the time it was widely reported that one of the things that would be looked for was material that violated copyright. Has that been substantiated? And would it extend to DMCA violations (if in fact that's what might be involved in breaking DRM for personal use; I'm not sure)?

Ea · 04-22-2009, 07:47 AM

I don't know if it's actually legal to strip DRM, but it is legal to circumvent DRM in Denmark, provided it is necessary in order to access the content.

From what I can read, it is made clear that the intent of the law is make things as accessible while still protecting the rights holders. Thus it would likely not be of the concern of anyone if I stripped DRM of files I have bought, for my private personal use.

EowynCarter · 04-22-2009, 10:09 AM

As far as I know, legal in france , if for interoperability reason.

Then, even if it was not, well. Better buy e-book and strip them off the drm than getting the ebooks though illegal means right ?

I would certainly not buy anything drmised unless i can take the drm off. I won't take the risk of losing all my e-book is the website i purchased them from closes.

DixieGal · 04-22-2009, 10:53 AM

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Originally Posted by Format C:

The ship must be unflagged: piracy!!!!

wodin · 04-22-2009, 12:43 PM

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Originally Posted by Format C:

The ship must be unflagged: piracy!!!!

Maybe it has Somalian registry! Oh yeah! I forgot, Somalia doesn't have registry.

Idoine · 04-22-2009, 01:49 PM

Well, I bought lots of DRM'd LIT some years ago, to read them on my PocketPC.
I used Calibre recently to strip the DRM, and be able to convert them to MOBI or PRC in order to read them on my Cybook.
I don't have scruples about that, because I paid for them, and I don't see why I would have to buy them again in an other format...

Edit : An error here, ConvertLIT to strip DRM, then Calibre to convert into MOBI (or Mobipocket Creator to convert in PRC)

wallcraft · 04-22-2009, 01:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Idoine

I used Calibre recently to strip the DRM, and be able to convert them to MOBI or PRC in order to read them on my Cybook.

Calibre does not strip DRM, ConvertLIT does that and then Calibre format shifts the resulting DRM-free LIT. This keeps Calibre out of the DRM morass.

Idoine · 04-22-2009, 02:35 PM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

Calibre does not strip DRM, ConvertLIT does that and then Calibre format shifts the resulting DRM-free LIT. This keeps Calibre out of the DRM morass.

Oups ! Sorry !

Yes, ConvertLIT to strip DRM, then Calibre to convert !

tea2 · 08-31-2011, 05:44 PM

I bought my Kobo primarily to read library books. Lately I've been getting 3/4 of the way through a borrowed book and have to return it. If I really like the book and there's another hold on it, I buy it off Kobo or Kindle (whichever is cheaper) anyway.

That said, if I felt the need to read Kobo books on my Kindle or vice versa, I'd convert and un-DRM stuff I've purchased, but not otherwise.

Phogg · 08-31-2011, 06:05 PM

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Originally Posted by Xenophon

Stripping DRM (for personal use only) may or may not be a crime (or a civil offense) in the US -- no one really knows. (And there you thought that certainty under the law was an important legal principle... HAH!)

Xenophon

This is true, as the statute regarding ebooks has never been challenged in court.
However, stripping copy protection on video and audio did wend its way through the courts, and it was ruled fair use.

I don't lose any sleep worrying that someone might search my netbook and SD cards and then sue me over back up files, or for changing covers and formatting.

alansplace · 08-31-2011, 06:20 PM

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Originally Posted by wallcraft

Calibre does not strip DRM, ConvertLIT does that and then Calibre format shifts the resulting DRM-free LIT. This keeps Calibre out of the DRM morass.

the problem being the potential issue that some (probably myself included) people might react negatively to using software named clit!!

sabredog · 09-01-2011, 03:29 AM

Well it is legal in my house

carpetmojo · 09-01-2011, 03:39 AM

[QUOTE=FizzyWater;..............Was that hyperbole?[/QUOTE]

Isn't that Sony's new development on the hypernet ?

Cellulose based technology ..............

See, it's not a plastic bodied PRS - T1.

They fooled you all...................

molman · 09-01-2011, 05:14 AM

I believe the 2008 amendments made it legal in NZ to strip DRM for legitimate use (though I haven't parsed what that is). I don't live in NZ (rather AU) so perhaps someone local can comment.

You can read the law (bill that passed) here: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...LM1122502.html

You can see some comments here;

http://boingboing.net/2008/04/10/new...s-dmca-is.html
http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2829/125/

04-22-2009, 01:49 PM	#22
Idoine Which book will be next ? Posts: 661 Karma: 2172 Join Date: Jan 2009 Location: France Device: Cybook Gen3 1.5, Sony PRS 600 RC, Samsung Omnia...	Well, I bought lots of DRM'd LIT some years ago, to read them on my PocketPC. I used Calibre recently to strip the DRM, and be able to convert them to MOBI or PRC in order to read them on my Cybook. I don't have scruples about that, because I paid for them, and I don't see why I would have to buy them again in an other format... Edit : An error here, ConvertLIT to strip DRM, then Calibre to convert into MOBI (or Mobipocket Creator to convert in PRC) Last edited by Idoine; 04-22-2009 at 02:42 PM.

08-31-2011, 05:44 PM	#25
tea2 Zealot Posts: 102 Karma: 864936 Join Date: Jul 2011 Location: Canada Device: Kindle 2, iPad Mini 4, Aura One, Kobo Clara 2e	I bought my Kobo primarily to read library books. Lately I've been getting 3/4 of the way through a borrowed book and have to return it. If I really like the book and there's another hold on it, I buy it off Kobo or Kindle (whichever is cheaper) anyway. That said, if I felt the need to read Kobo books on my Kindle or vice versa, I'd convert and un-DRM stuff I've purchased, but not otherwise. Last edited by tea2; 08-31-2011 at 05:47 PM.

09-01-2011, 03:39 AM	#29
carpetmojo Wizard Posts: 3,117 Karma: 9269999 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: UK Device: Sony- T3, PRS650, 350, T1/2/3, Paperwhite, Fire 8.9,Samsung Tab S 10.5	Clarification..... [QUOTE=FizzyWater;..............Was that hyperbole?[/QUOTE] Isn't that Sony's new development on the hypernet ? Cellulose based technology .............. See, it's not a plastic bodied PRS - T1. They fooled you all...................

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04-22-2009, 07:47 AM	#18
Ea Wizard Posts: 3,490 Karma: 5239563 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Denmark Device: Kindle 3\|iPad air\|iPhone 4S	I don't know if it's actually legal to strip DRM, but it is legal to circumvent DRM in Denmark, provided it is necessary in order to access the content. From what I can read, it is made clear that the intent of the law is make things as accessible while still protecting the rights holders. Thus it would likely not be of the concern of anyone if I stripped DRM of files I have bought, for my private personal use.

04-22-2009, 10:09 AM	#19
EowynCarter Wizard Posts: 4,337 Karma: 4000000 Join Date: Oct 2008 Location: Paris Device: Cybooks; Sony PRS-T1	As far as I know, legal in france , if for interoperability reason. Then, even if it was not, well. Better buy e-book and strip them off the drm than getting the ebooks though illegal means right ? I would certainly not buy anything drmised unless i can take the drm off. I won't take the risk of losing all my e-book is the website i purchased them from closes.

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sabredog Geographically Restricted Posts: 2,629 Karma: 14933353 Join Date: Dec 2008 Location: Perth, Australia Device: Sony PRS-T3, Kindle Voyage, iPad Air2, Nexus7v2	Well it is legal in my house

09-01-2011, 05:14 AM	#30
molman Evangelist Posts: 436 Karma: 538958 Join Date: Jul 2011 Device: none	I believe the 2008 amendments made it legal in NZ to strip DRM for legitimate use (though I haven't parsed what that is). I don't live in NZ (rather AU) so perhaps someone local can comment. You can read the law (bill that passed) here: http://www.legislation.govt.nz/act/p...LM1122502.html You can see some comments here; http://boingboing.net/2008/04/10/new...s-dmca-is.html http://www.michaelgeist.ca/content/view/2829/125/