Send-to-kindle delivering KFX format to more devices - Page 5

hleo12 · 09-29-2023, 07:25 AM

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Originally Posted by tomsem

Interesting.

After getting a Scribe, I went through my personal documents and replaced most of them with ones generated from ePub files. I can annotate these on KFX capable devices and they show up on my (only) non-KFX capable device and vice versa.

I don't remember when Send To Kindle began accepting ePub, and I do still have a number of personal documents that I sent in prior to Nov, but if these were ePub, they all download as KF8.

In at least one case, an ePub I sent after Nov downloaded as KFX but did not have cover thumbnail after opening/closing it. I re-sent it and now it does.

In short, I cannot reproduce this issue, but maybe I cannot reproduce your exact scenario.

I thought I was imagining the whole thing, but I checked my Kindle Mate and I checked all the books there (I don't really annotate or highlight that much), and even the bookmarks didn't survive. I think only 1 book after Nov 2022 still got its annotations.

guio · 09-29-2023, 08:38 AM

Now my PW3 Kindle doesn't apply the line height from the font. I have my user font on my Kindle with decreased line height. This line height was used on previously converted files, and now this value is the same as in the standard fonts.

DNSB · 09-29-2023, 02:02 PM

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Originally Posted by guio

Now my PW3 Kindle doesn't apply the line height from the font. I have my user font on my Kindle with decreased line height. This line height was used on previously converted files, and now this value is the same as in the standard fonts.

Pretty much the way life is when reading KFX and a reason that I prefer KF8/azw3.

dannydav709 · 10-01-2023, 04:56 PM

Did anyone notice that official epub files (such as those obtained as Adobe Digital Editions) that have the real page numbers (such as those that appear in print books) are now appearing when sending epubs via send-to-kindle? I have tested it on several books, and it seems to work at least half the time (though there are some books that in iBooks on my iPad show the print edition page numbers, but don't show up when sent via send-to-kindle). Really interesting.

Aleron Ives · 10-01-2023, 05:12 PM

ADE does not use "real" page numbers. It uses an arbitrary formula based on the number of bytes to determine when a page break "should" happen, but it won't align with any print editions.

DNSB · 10-01-2023, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

ADE does not use "real" page numbers. It uses an arbitrary formula based on the number of bytes to determine when a page break "should" happen, but it won't align with any print editions.

From my limited testing, if you have page-list page numbers in a ePub, they transferred to KF8/azw3 via Send to Kindle when I last tested this. I've never tested this with the Abode's pagemap so can't say if that would work. The Adobe Synthetic Page Number algorithm is only used if no pagemap is found in the ePub and in most ePub renderers, ASPN will not be used if page-list is present. Sample of what I found in one recent purchase in the spoiler/code tags.

Spoiler:

JSWolf · 10-01-2023, 06:19 PM

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Originally Posted by hleo12

is the break-inside part the one for hyphenations?

I don't remember what the break-inside is for. It was to fix something that went wrong a good while back. It may not be needed any longer. But since it isn't a problem, I leave it.

But it was nothing to do with hyphenation as I've not used it with KFX. I don't think KFX was a thing back then.

JSWolf · 10-01-2023, 06:24 PM

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Originally Posted by nabsltd

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

You don't need media queries for negative margins.

You do if you want to read the EPUB on something other than a Kindle.

I never add Kindle specific code to an ePub. If the ePub is going to be read on a Kindle, I convert the ePub to KF8 and add in the Kindle specific code.

But what you can do is add the Kindle CSS code to the ePub, send-to-Kindle and when it's done, remove the Kindle specific CSS.

JSWolf · 10-01-2023, 06:25 PM

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Originally Posted by Claude_C

Tried to send an ePub via the Amazon web page. Worked great on my iPad and Mac Kindle apps.

If only Amazon was "reading" more metadata then only the title and author, like the book summary and collections tags, that would be awesome.

That's what the Kobo/Calibre combination is for.

j.p.s · 10-01-2023, 06:38 PM

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Originally Posted by dannydav709

Did anyone notice that official epub files (such as those obtained as Adobe Digital Editions) that have the real page numbers (such as those that appear in print books) are now appearing when sending epubs via send-to-kindle? I have tested it on several books, and it seems to work at least half the time (though there are some books that in iBooks on my iPad show the print edition page numbers, but don't show up when sent via send-to-kindle). Really interesting.

amazon's old kindlegen would generate amazon page numbers if the input epub had page-map ot page-list. kindlegen does not generate amazon page numbers from whatever page nuber scheme EPUB 3 uses.

DNSB · 10-01-2023, 08:21 PM

Page-list is the official page numbering scheme for ePub 3. If you generate the optional TOC .ncx file, it should be treated the same for ePub 3 or ePub 2.

dannydav709 · 10-01-2023, 09:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Aleron Ives

ADE does not use "real" page numbers. It uses an arbitrary formula based on the number of bytes to determine when a page break "should" happen, but it won't align with any print editions.

I personally tested it on some books, and they do align. I have the physical copy of some books, and got the digital edition, and they sometimes align. The way I know that they do is if I first import to my iPad into iBooks, where it will tell me if the print edition page numbers is available. That is when I would know, and then send-to-kindle, and the same pages (that match my physical books) appear. So....

nabsltd · 10-02-2023, 11:52 AM

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Originally Posted by hleo12

is the break-inside part the one for hyphenations?

Drop caps break without it. Also margin-left can do weird things without it, but only in non-body text (chapter number, etc.).

Aleron Ives · 10-02-2023, 04:18 PM

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Originally Posted by dannydav709

I personally tested it on some books, and they do align.

Yes, these books must be using the pagemap feature DNSB described. I thought you were talking about Adobe's synthetic page numbering system.

Gone · 10-03-2023, 12:13 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

That's what the Kobo/Calibre combination is for.

Yes, it works well. But you can set that afterwards on the Kindle or on any device with the Kindle app.

Now that personal documents (epub) sent to Kindle also have the typography enhancement like the original KFX, I find the Kindle more attractive. Its screen is really whiter than my Kobo Libra 2. I like the page turn animation. I like the clock on the top. And the Paperwhite is a bit lighter. And cheaper, even more when it is on sale, which is often. Having the book I’m reading available and in synch on my phone is also a nice feature.

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09-29-2023, 08:38 AM	#62
guio Junior Member Posts: 5 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2023 Device: Kindle PW3	Now my PW3 Kindle doesn't apply the line height from the font. I have my user font on my Kindle with decreased line height. This line height was used on previously converted files, and now this value is the same as in the standard fonts.

10-01-2023, 04:56 PM	#64
dannydav709 Member Posts: 11 Karma: 10 Join Date: Sep 2022 Device: Kindle PW5	Did anyone notice that official epub files (such as those obtained as Adobe Digital Editions) that have the real page numbers (such as those that appear in print books) are now appearing when sending epubs via send-to-kindle? I have tested it on several books, and it seems to work at least half the time (though there are some books that in iBooks on my iPad show the print edition page numbers, but don't show up when sent via send-to-kindle). Really interesting.

10-01-2023, 05:12 PM	#65
Aleron Ives Wizard Posts: 1,768 Karma: 16319690 Join Date: Sep 2022 Device: Kobo Libra 2	ADE does not use "real" page numbers. It uses an arbitrary formula based on the number of bytes to determine when a page break "should" happen, but it won't align with any print editions.

10-01-2023, 08:21 PM	#71
DNSB Bibliophagist Posts: 47,971 Karma: 174315098 Join Date: Jul 2010 Location: Vancouver Device: Kobo Sage, Libra Colour, Lenovo M8 FHD, Paperwhite 4, Tolino epos	Page-list is the official page numbering scheme for ePub 3. If you generate the optional TOC .ncx file, it should be treated the same for ePub 3 or ePub 2.

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