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[Nate the great]

Originally Posted by Kris777

No. If we stop buying DRMed eBooks publishers will start produce more and more non DRMed ebooks. It takes time but in 2-3 years everybody will forget about DRM - publishers, ebook destributors and customers.

Originally Posted by HarryT

Would you care to place a small wager on that?

I will. My bet: in 5 to 10 years, ebooks will be DRM free.


BTW, Harry, how does that hat taste?

[JSWolf]

So is everyone who stops purchasing DRM eBooks going to bother to contact every publisher of every eBook with DRM that s/he would have purchased but will not due to DRM and tell them why it's not being purchased? If not, all the publishers will see is the decline of eBook sales and then we'll see the decline of eBooks.

The thing is, are you going to hold off 2-10 years reading books you want to just because they have DRM? I'm not willing to wait that long. Who is willing to wait 2-10 years to purchase any eBooks that have DRM? Are you going to be satisfied with just the offerings that do not have DRM? Given what I see most people reading here, I'd say the answer is overall a no.

[Jellby]

If I cannot a DRM-free e-book, I buy the paper version.

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

So is everyone who stops purchasing DRM eBooks going to bother to contact every publisher of every eBook with DRM that s/he would have purchased but will not due to DRM and tell them why it's not being purchased? If not, all the publishers will see is the decline of eBook sales and then we'll see the decline of eBooks.

The thing is, are you going to hold off 2-10 years reading books you want to just because they have DRM? I'm not willing to wait that long. Who is willing to wait 2-10 years to purchase any eBooks that have DRM? Are you going to be satisfied with just the offerings that do not have DRM? Given what I see most people reading here, I'd say the answer is overall a no.

I think this article about DRM-Free Music dated on April 2, 2007 (2 years ago) explain everyting (the same situation will be with ebooks very soon):
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html

“We are going to give iTunes customers a choice—the current versions of our songs for the same 99 cent price, or new DRM-free versions of the same songs with even higher audio quality and the security of interoperability for just 30 cents more,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “We think our customers are going to love this, and we expect to offer more than half of the songs on iTunes in DRM-free versions by the end of this year.”

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by HarryT

Would you care to place a small wager on that?

Yes, sure.

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by Jellby

If I cannot a DRM-free e-book, I buy the paper version.

If people spend $300 for eBook reader they most likely don't want to buy paper books.

[rhadin]

Originally Posted by Kris777

If people spend $300 for eBook reader they most likely don't want to buy paper books.

I have a $300 Sony 505 and I buy pbooks regularly. Already this month, I have spent $250 on pbooks and $70 on ebooks.

What I don't want to do is by pbook versions of "throw-away" books, that is, books that I won't read more than once and that I don't want to keep in my permanent library.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Kris777

I think this article about DRM-Free Music dated on April 2, 2007 (2 years ago) explain everyting (the same situation will be with ebooks very soon):
http://www.apple.com/pr/library/2007/04/02itunes.html

“We are going to give iTunes customers a choice—the current versions of our songs for the same 99 cent price, or new DRM-free versions of the same songs with even higher audio quality and the security of interoperability for just 30 cents more,” said Steve Jobs, Apple’s CEO. “We think our customers are going to love this, and we expect to offer more than half of the songs on iTunes in DRM-free versions by the end of this year.”

There is a big difference between music and eBooks. For one, I can purchase a CD and rip the music to the format of my choice very easily and fairly quickly and I will then have DRM free digital music files.

To scan a book, OCR, check for errors and then format it to go with my reader is not easy at all. It's a long painstaking process that may not be worth it given how long it could take.

So our choices are to purchase the eBook with DRM, the pBook, or do without. Do you think do without for years is a good idea? I think it won't fly. I do think that the only way to get rid of eBook DRM is to bombard the publishers with messages telling them we do not want DRM. And for those who have been screwed by DRM, say so and say why and how much it cost for now useless eBook files. And anyone who is disabled and would benefit from DRM free eBook files, say so. Let them know how things should be.

But to say that a boycott of the eBooks we want to read will work, it won't. It won't be good for eBooks and it won't be good for us as we are unable to read a lot of content we enjoy reading. You say about 2 years. Others say up to 10 years. So let's say it's 5 years. Even 2 years is 2 years too much to go without reading what we enjoy. So basically, a boycott is a bad idea. We have to be vocal and tell the publishers what we want and why and do so without being mean or nasty and no name calling.

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is a big difference between music and eBooks. For one, I can purchase a CD and rip the music to the format of my choice very easily and fairly quickly and I will then have DRM free digital music files.

To scan a book, OCR, check for errors and then format it to go with my reader is not easy at all. It's a long painstaking process that may not be worth it given how long it could take.

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You don't need to scan book in case if you purchased DRMed book in electronic format the same way as you don't need to purchase CD in case if you downloaded DRMed musik file via Internet so it is not a big difference.

In both cases you can convert DRMed musik or ebook files to DRM free file.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Kris777

You don't need to scan book in case if you purchased DRMed book in electronic format the same way as you don't need to purchase CD in case if you downloaded DRMed musik file via Internet so it is not a big difference.

In both cases you can convert DRMed musik or ebook files to DRM free file.

You totally misunderstand. You said we should stop purchased eBooks with DRM until the publishers start selling them without DRM. And I said it won't work because you gave like 2 or so years for this to happen.

With music, I can purchase it DRM free and easily convert 100% legally.

With a lot of the eBooks I read, they do come infected with DRM and I have to strip the DRM and then convert. It's still a gray area as to the legality of this.

You say it's no big difference. Well, it is a huge difference for the average person. And the average person cannot vote with dollars for eBooks so easily because there is no alternative other then pBooks. With music, I can purchase the CD and not from iTunes. So with music, I have choices. With eBooks it's either buy or do without unless I'm going to purchase the pBook and then all that will happen is the publishers will think eBooks are not worth the bother.

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

You totally misunderstand. You said we should stop purchased eBooks with DRM until the publishers start selling them without DRM. And I said it won't work because you gave like 2 or so years for this to happen.

With music, I can purchase it DRM free and easily convert 100% legally.

With a lot of the eBooks I read, they do come infected with DRM and I have to strip the DRM and then convert. It's still a gray area as to the legality of this.

You say it's no big difference. Well, it is a huge difference for the average person. And the average person cannot vote with dollars for eBooks so easily because there is no alternative other then pBooks. With music, I can purchase the CD and not from iTunes. So with music, I have choices. With eBooks it's either buy or do without unless I'm going to purchase the pBook and then all that will happen is the publishers will think eBooks are not worth the bother.

My point that the situation with DRMed eBooks now the same as it was with DRMed Musik files 2 years ago. Question: Why Apple pushed DRM-free format 2 years ago?

[JSWolf]

I see nobody with a Jetbook cares that Etaco is lying to make the Jetbook seem better then it is.

As to DRM, I know for sure, that I could never get my mother a Jetbook unless I supported her. She's the type of person I was referring to. One who does not know anything about DRM, would not know about DRM stripping or file conversion. So for people like her, she'd need a device that would have DRM where she can purchase eBooks that she likes and use them as is. I do see there being more people like this then people who are able to strip DRM and convert.

[Kris777]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I see nobody with a Jetbook cares that Etaco is lying to make the Jetbook seem better then it is.

As to DRM, I know for sure, that I could never get my mother a Jetbook unless I supported her. She's the type of person I was referring to. One who does not know anything about DRM, would not know about DRM stripping or file conversion. So for people like her, she'd need a device that would have DRM where she can purchase eBooks that she likes and use them as is. I do see there being more people like this then people who are able to strip DRM and convert.

I purchased jetBook for my wife and she likes it a lot!

[Justy]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

As to DRM, I know for sure, that I could never get my mother a Jetbook unless I supported her. She's the type of person I was referring to. One who does not know anything about DRM, would not know about DRM stripping or file conversion. So for people like her, she'd need a device that would have DRM where she can purchase eBooks that she likes and use them as is. I do see there being more people like this then people who are able to strip DRM and convert.

My mother would be the same, for that matter so would Hubby. If he can't find the eBook he wants and 'just read it' then there isn't any point to it. He is a typical consumer, he wants to be able to 'buy & use' without any additional steps. He's also not interested in searching for 'alternate authors' when the ones he wants to read are only available with DRM. I would never be able to purchase a Jetbook for him.

I love the form factor of the Jetbook, but without some DRM support I don't see it going 'mainstream' for a while. Then again, perhaps they are happy with their current sales projections and don't want to be 'mainstream,' or perhaps they are waiting till the DRM dust settles to jump in.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Justy

My mother would be the same, for that matter so would Hubby. If he can't find the eBook he wants and 'just read it' then there isn't any point to it. He is a typical consumer, he wants to be able to 'buy & use' without any additional steps. He's also not interested in searching for 'alternate authors' when the ones he wants to read are only available with DRM. I would never be able to purchase a Jetbook for him.

I love the form factor of the Jetbook, but without some DRM support I don't see it going 'mainstream' for a while. Then again, perhaps they are happy with their current sales projections and don't want to be 'mainstream,' or perhaps they are waiting till the DRM dust settles to jump in.

Most people here at MR are tech savvy enough to handle a device without DRM. But you take the average person and nope, it just doesn't work that way.