Amazon and DRM changes - Page 110

Josieb1 · 02-28-2023, 10:23 AM

I have a Kindle Voyage and am awaiting a new Kindle Basic, which is already registered to my account. I today bought a book and downloaded it through Manage Your Contents and got an AZW3 file for both my Voyage and the new Kindle. Calibre processed the files without any issues. As long as that stays the same I’m fine.

DNSB · 02-28-2023, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I have a Kindle Voyage and am awaiting a new Kindle Basic, which is already registered to my account. I today bought a book and downloaded it through Manage Your Contents and got an AZW3 file for both my Voyage and the new Kindle. Calibre processed the files without any issues. As long as that stays the same I’m fine.

The question is how long will that remain the same. It would seem that many of us have lost our simple trusting childlike faith in Amazon (assuming we ever had it)

ZodWallop · 02-28-2023, 12:57 PM

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Originally Posted by Josieb1

I... am awaiting a new Kindle Basic...

Nice. Did you get the black or denim?

I'd like to see color make a return to ereaders. You might think different bezel colors would distract, but that hasn't been my experience using a black bezel, a white bezel or a red one on the old Sony I have.

j.p.s · 02-28-2023, 01:04 PM

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Originally Posted by NiQ

Thank you. Is it possible to downgrade to a firmware that doesn't support KFX? (and do I need to jailbreak again)

Yes to both.

Which firmware does it run now?

Josieb1 · 02-28-2023, 01:41 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

The question is how long will that remain the same. It would seem that many of us have lost our simple trusting childlike faith in Amazon (assuming we ever had it)

I know.

I got three months Kindle Unlimited free so going to use that while I have it.

Josieb1 · 02-28-2023, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by ZodWallop

Nice. Did you get the black or denim?

I'd like to see color make a return to ereaders. You might think different bezel colors would distract, but that hasn't been my experience using a black bezel, a white bezel or a red one on the old Sony I have.

I got the black. I don’t like coloured bezels tbh. I’m very pleased with it. The screen is lovely. Not quite as good as my Voyage but it’s the closest Amazon have got so far.

NNolan · 02-28-2023, 07:59 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

@NNolan said that the WiFi on her KK3 does not work.

For what it's worth, I did finally get my KK3 back in working order. When I hooked it up to my laptop I got an error message that said there was a problem with the drive and did I want to repair it. Once that was fixed I did a reset, which looked like it froze about 15% in. So I tried to reset it a dozen times, and finally gave up and went to bed. The next morning it was fully functional again, including the wifi. Go figure. So as long as azw2 exists as a format to download to this Kindle I'm all set.

ETA: it's only got about 10 books on it now and about 2 GB of available storage so the drive must have gone bad at some point. I only use it for downloading books in azw2 format to my laptop though so I don't care.

NiQ · 03-01-2023, 02:30 AM

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Originally Posted by j.p.s

Yes to both.

Which firmware does it run now?

The latest for its gen (5.12.2.2). If I understand correctly the last FW that does not support KFX is 5.6.1.1 but I haven't been able to find a jailbreak for firmwares < 5.6.5.

darryl · 03-01-2023, 04:06 AM

It's interesting that Amazon so far seems to have chosen to continue to allow download via usb for purchased books. Presumably not including expensive textbooks. Assuming there are no plans to change this in the near future then Amazon has certainly stopped short ofoutright warfare. Although people have been very critical of Amazon on this thread, not without good reason, it is difficult to argue convincingly against what it has done. The development of the tools reached the point where it threatened what I suspect is an excellent revenue stream for Amazon in textbook rentals and sales. And as little as I like DRM that cannot be circumvented, the fact is that it is hardly unreasonable for Amazon to seek to prevent copying of KU and library books. I cannot predict what Amazon is going to do tommorow, let alone further in the future. But Amazon is data driven and collects plentiful information about the use of its infrastructure. Whilst I suspect that those who care about DRM are far too few to have any real impact on Amazon sales, I simply don't know. But I'd say Amazon does. And Amazon, despite having the means to block the availablity of KF8 and the functionality of old versions of K4PC, has for the time being chosen not to do so. It is at least possible that they don't hqve current plans to do so.

I don't think there is much certainty in relation to future DRM circumvention in relation to any vendor. Kobo is certainly a better choice at the moment for most tradpub. Where it does fall down is KU. Amazon has a far bigger catalog of self-oublished and Indie e-books. And at least so far drm circumvention is easy with Kobo. I have old Kindle's and have no difficulties with drm removal at the moment. When I do I will look for other options.

JSWolf · 03-01-2023, 08:33 AM

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Originally Posted by NiQ

Just wanted to check - is a 6th gen PW2 good enough? The first message said 4th and 5th are best but I only managed to get 6th.

Also - Is it possible to extract downloaded books from a jailbroken PW2 running 5.12.2.2?

A PW1 is also useless even though it doesn't download KFX. It download KF8 and splits it into pieces. You need a Kindle Touch< Kindle 3, or Kindle Keyboard.

However, Any Kindle that handles KF8 will do to enable Download & Transfer via USB from the Amazon website. It's KU/Prime that won't work unless you have an old enough KIndle (but not too old).

JSWolf · 03-01-2023, 08:41 AM

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Originally Posted by Kaetrin

I tried that before I bought the new (old) kindle. I can't get it to download on my version of K4PC (1.19). As I understand it, if I upgrade to the new version of K4PC I will be able to download the book but it will still be in a format I can't get deDRMd into Calibre to convert so I can put it on my Kobo reader (which is my preferred reading device). Is there something I'm missing?

Do not use KindleforPC. That won't work.

On Amazon, go to Content & Devices > Books. Then to the right of the book you want, More Actions > Download & transfer via USB.

There you go as long as the eBook is purchased and not from KU/Prime.

JSWolf · 03-01-2023, 08:43 AM

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Originally Posted by NullNix

... where are you located? Ah, Texas. Stands to reason. If you were in a colder part of the world, you'd probably hate this metal back obsession. If it wasn't for plastic skins the metal back would have ruined the Oasis 3 for me: like holding an ice cube. Books are not bound in metal for a reason, dammit.

With a cover a metal back is not a problem.

JSWolf · 03-01-2023, 08:47 AM

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Originally Posted by NiQ

Thank you. Is it possible to downgrade to a firmware that doesn't support KFX? (and do I need to jailbreak again)

But there is no guarantee that KF8 won't come out as useless as it does with a PW1. And Amazon may someday decide that Download & transfer will give KFX to devices capable of KFX regardless of the firmware version.

JSWolf · 03-01-2023, 08:49 AM

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Originally Posted by NullNix

You appear to believe that this constitutes a disproof that other people are having trouble. It does not.

No. I'm saying that the elderly can learn to use a device since as a Reader.

JSWolf · 03-01-2023, 08:50 AM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

The question is how long will that remain the same. It would seem that many of us have lost our simple trusting childlike faith in Amazon (assuming we ever had it)

It's actually a lot longer then I expected for Amazon to start closing loopholes. I just wonder when other loopholes will be closed.

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02-28-2023, 10:23 AM	#1636
Josieb1 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,089 Karma: 18051062 Join Date: Nov 2009 Location: UK Device: Kindle Scribe, Coloursoft, PW SE, Kindle 6, Kobo Libra 2, Clara BW	I have a Kindle Voyage and am awaiting a new Kindle Basic, which is already registered to my account. I today bought a book and downloaded it through Manage Your Contents and got an AZW3 file for both my Voyage and the new Kindle. Calibre processed the files without any issues. As long as that stays the same I’m fine.

03-01-2023, 04:06 AM	#1644
darryl Wizard Posts: 3,108 Karma: 60231510 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kindle Oasis, Huwei Ascend Mate 7	It's interesting that Amazon so far seems to have chosen to continue to allow download via usb for purchased books. Presumably not including expensive textbooks. Assuming there are no plans to change this in the near future then Amazon has certainly stopped short ofoutright warfare. Although people have been very critical of Amazon on this thread, not without good reason, it is difficult to argue convincingly against what it has done. The development of the tools reached the point where it threatened what I suspect is an excellent revenue stream for Amazon in textbook rentals and sales. And as little as I like DRM that cannot be circumvented, the fact is that it is hardly unreasonable for Amazon to seek to prevent copying of KU and library books. I cannot predict what Amazon is going to do tommorow, let alone further in the future. But Amazon is data driven and collects plentiful information about the use of its infrastructure. Whilst I suspect that those who care about DRM are far too few to have any real impact on Amazon sales, I simply don't know. But I'd say Amazon does. And Amazon, despite having the means to block the availablity of KF8 and the functionality of old versions of K4PC, has for the time being chosen not to do so. It is at least possible that they don't hqve current plans to do so. I don't think there is much certainty in relation to future DRM circumvention in relation to any vendor. Kobo is certainly a better choice at the moment for most tradpub. Where it does fall down is KU. Amazon has a far bigger catalog of self-oublished and Indie e-books. And at least so far drm circumvention is easy with Kobo. I have old Kindle's and have no difficulties with drm removal at the moment. When I do I will look for other options.