Amazon and DRM changes

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Patitapetit

Hello
I know but in almost all his posts he tells the same and the people come this forum with their ideas quite definited.

And then we have those who regard unnecessary use of text sizing as being extremely annoying behaviour.

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by DNSB

For what it is worth, I tend to agree with Quoth. I happily remove DRM from books I have purchased and then convert formats, edit and make backups. I do not remove DRM from library books, Kobo Plus, Kindle Unlimited or Kindle Prime books since they are loans, i.e. I can't kid myself that I own them. YMMV but that's where I stand.

This leaves Kindle owners outside the USA with a dilemma since I am not aware of another country where Kindle format ebooks are available as public library loans. Epub, PDF and some specialized apps aren't much use in the Amazon ecosystem.

I find removing DRM from Overdrive books for sideloading or editing a bit less ambiguous because, iirc, the author is paid per borrow rather than page read. But only if book is deleted after the loan period expires.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

I find removing DRM from Overdrive books for sideloading or editing a bit less ambiguous because, iirc, the author is paid per borrow rather than page read. But only if book is deleted after the loan period expires.

And sadly, I'm rather certain that I would be one of the people dragging their feet when it came time to delete the book. To quote Oscar Wilde, "I can resist anything except temptation" so I prefer to avoid putting temptation in my path.

I can already hear the little gentlebeing on my shoulder whispering "It's a victimless crime".

[Ma'am-I-Am]

Originally Posted by Quoth

But people should only remove DRM from bought outright books (doesn't matter if the book is in KU) and then any recent eink works via Download on Content & Devices.

No-one should be removing DRM from borrowed books.

Say it all you want but the fact is they do and this site and its users enable it. You can't say, "here are the tools, but you shouldn't use them".

[Ma'am-I-Am]

Originally Posted by haertig

most everyone here is of higher intelligence than the average person. It kind of goes with that territory to be strongly opinionated and confident of oneself.

Strongly opinionated and confident does not necessarily go hand-in-hand with high intelligence. Read the U.S. news since 2016 at all?

[rantanplan]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

2FA is off. Should I maybe try turning it on and see what happens this time?

Besides the Kindle issue, 2FA should always be considered a mandatory security option for everything all the time. You shouldn't even be asking yourself if it should be turned on, do it

[Ned]

Originally Posted by haertig

But I admit, that is often times difficult on this forum. I think that is because most everyone here is of higher intelligence than the average person. It kind of goes with that territory to be strongly opinionated and confident of oneself.

Haha, I love it.
A British Prime Minister famously wanted everyone in the country to be above average too.

I would humbly suggest that in general there is an inverse relationship between intelligence and the doggedness with which opinions are held.

[Asawi]

Originally Posted by haertig

Agreed 100%. I am a big fan of people being allowed to have different opinions without being chastised for it. But I admit, that is often times difficult on this forum. I think that is because most everyone here is of higher intelligence than the average person. It kind of goes with that territory to be strongly opinionated and confident of oneself.

Strongly disagree! Confident? Maybe. Opiniated? Nah... My experience is that intelligent people are more open to different views and more humble about their own than "the average". Of course there is a HUGE variety among both groups and maybe the large number of highly intelligent people I've had a lot to do with are not representative at all. But in my book (no pun intended) jumping on other people's words/views/opinions and always "being right" is not a sign of high intelligence. It's a sign of not growing up. (Remember when you were 18 and knew it all? )

[DuckieTigger]

Originally Posted by Ma'am-I-Am

Say it all you want but the fact is they do and this site and its users enable it. You can't say, "here are the tools, but you shouldn't use them".

The tools can be used for piracy by sharing the DRM free book with others. People do it, so nobody should advise them not to.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by DNSB

For what it is worth, I tend to agree with Quoth. I happily remove DRM from books I have purchased and then convert formats, edit and make backups. I do not remove DRM from library books, Kobo Plus, Kindle Unlimited or Kindle Prime books since they are loans, i.e. I can't kid myself that I own them. YMMV but that's where I stand.

This leaves Kindle owners outside the USA with a dilemma since I am not aware of another country where Kindle format ebooks are available as public library loans. Epub, PDF and some specialized apps aren't much use in the Amazon ecosystem.

I started reading the local library (In Ireland) on Borrowbox app on phone and tablet. Most Kindle owners have one or other of those (though my dad only used PC and Kindle).
The majority of even Kindle ebooks are not read on eink, but on phones & tablets.
In the end I bought an Android eInk. About the cost of 15 retail non-discount paper books and the Library has no subscription (you just need to be resident). It also now has Lichess, K9-mail, and ebook apps for Borrowbox, Libby (local library magazines & comics etc), Google Playbooks, Kobo app, Kindle App. It has a better native PDF reader than Kindle or Kobo and easier to adjust than KOreader (used on it rarely for epubs only, and simple install direct from Git.)

I read all bought ebooks (from any store, but I don't use Apple or Barnes & Noble), PD ebooks, and texts to proof, on my Kobo Sage.

Kindle app or Kindle eink is fine for people wanting KU borrowing, but eink is a minority of Amazon users. An android eink with the Kindle app is more general purpose than a Kindle eink.

But neither a Kobo nor Kindle works for borrowing books from anywhere, each only books in some places.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Ma'am-I-Am

So K4A+Bluestacks works to get KU deDRMed? Is that what you're saying?

I've not tried that yet.

[jonathan2022]

Just confirming. Does this work on titles past Jan 4th or whatever date was

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by jonathan2022

Just confirming. Does this work on titles past Jan 4th or whatever date was

Yes, it does.

[lkmiller]

I like to give people the benefit of the doubt that they aren't aware that the author doesn't get paid. If I mention that and they feel chastised that's on them. I don't get readers knowingly not supporting authors if they can.

[haertig]

Originally Posted by Asawi

(Remember when you were 18 and knew it all? )

There is a finite amount of intelligence in a family. You start out with the kids adoring you, because you know everything. Then they turn into teenagers, and they of course know everything then. So you naturally have to degrade and end up knowing nothing at that point, to balance things out. Once they get out of school and begin living on their own, then they realize that you know more than they thought you did, so they grow a little more humble at that point to compensate.