newspapers on kindle scribe?

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

That's where the joystick or D-ring were handy when kindles had one.

But surely there is still a way, NullNix can probably help with that.

Swipe up / down takes you to next/prev article (back in the day that used to do the same for chapters in books, I wish it still did). Alas, with the loss of the back button, when you do that there's no longer any way to get back to where you were before: great UI design, Amazon.

[j.p.s]

I would hate to lose the back button. That is one of the best parts of using a kindle.

I suspect no one (with power) on the kindle team actually uses a kindle.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

I would hate to lose the back button. That is one of the best parts of using a kindle.

I suspect no one (with power) on the kindle team actually uses a kindle.

The Y-Ben P47L from Yiben has a real back button, but the only real virtue is the size of 4.7″. A PW3 is better if you have a big enough pocket. Fortunately an 8″ ereader fits my jacket pocket, but has no back button, but the PW3 has no buttons and the Oasis only page turns.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by Quoth

The Y-Ben P47L from Yiben has a real back button, but the only real virtue is the size of 4.7″. A PW3 is better if you have a big enough pocket. Fortunately an 8″ ereader fits my jacket pocket, but has no back button, but the PW3 has no buttons and the Oasis only page turns.

The back button under discussion is an icon that has the same functionality as the hardware back button on the kindles with a keyboard and the K4NT. And, in a kindle context, it provides for "going back" an arbitrary number of "places" in what I think of as the "back stack". It seems amazon dumped the back button fuctionality in recent firmwares.

[Quoth]

Yes, I don't remember seeing it on the PW3. I've forgotten!
I also have KK3 & DXG.

Sad.

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

I would hate to lose the back button. That is one of the best parts of using a kindle.

I suspect no one (with power) on the kindle team actually uses a kindle.

It was not so great IMO. You did not always know where it was going to take you, and if you tapped it one too many times it could be hard to get back to the context that you accidentally skipped over. Now the back icon is usually labelled.

I think it was borrowed from Android, where there is always a system Back button available, even when there is nothing to go back to, which does not make a lot of sense.

And the behavior was quite different than using the Kindle apps for Android and iOS. It's now consistent. For those of us who read on different platforms a consistent experience is a good thing.

Yes, there are some use cases that were permitted by the ancient UI and are no longer supported. But they're edge cases, like jumping around in dictionaries.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Quoth

Yes, I don't remember seeing it on the PW3. I've forgotten!
I also have KK3 & DXG.

Sad.

Looked at the PW3 models I have. Older FW, so do still have a Back button on the top. So infrequently used now.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by tomsem

I think it was borrowed from Android, where there is always a system Back button available, even when there is nothing to go back to, which does not make a lot of sense.

It was fairly obviously borrowed from web browsers. You'll note that rule one of web app development is "NEVER BREAK THE BACK BUTTON": it's the most heavily used button in the UI for a reason.

Originally Posted by tomsem

Yes, there are some use cases that were permitted by the ancient UI and are no longer supported. But they're edge cases, like jumping around in dictionaries.

And, say, going back if you moved around in periodicals. Or going back more than one hop if you did a search and then did another search, or did an x-ray hop and then a search. Oh and don't forget that sometimes the back button takes you to the book you just left and sometimes (say, in some but not all searches according to a rule I still haven't figured out but might be something like whether it was a 'search everywhere' or not), it takes you outside the book entirely and you need to hit the X on the upper right to return to the book (the same button which in other situations takes you outside the book entirely!). The new UI's approach to navigation is wildly irregular, ridiculously frustrating, and generally horrible.

Anecdata: two older members of my family have given up reading more than one book on the Kindle because they can't figure out how to drive the UI at all. i.e. they literally use the Kindle like a paper book in that it only shows one book and if they want to read another one they *wait until I'm in the area so they can ask me to do it*, even though I live 200 miles away. They no longer dare search or navigate at all because they don't know how to get back now the back button is gone. They could drive the old UI easily, and the UI of every Kindle back to the Kindle Keyboard, but the new one confounds them.

An own goal by Amazon, since that means that at least one heavy book buyer has been efficiently converted by their own dreadful UI design into someone that never buys Kindle books at all. And she's not the only one: similar stories abound.

[BionicGecko]

Originally Posted by NullNix

The new UI's approach to navigation is wildly irregular, ridiculously frustrating, and generally horrible.

I very much agree, and to share my own anecdote, I came to the Kindle world rather late (I believe I got my first Kindle - and first e-reader for that matter - in 2018). At that point, mobile UIs had mostly stabilized to what we have today, i.e. similar to the new Kindle UI. As I was playing around with my new toy, I was taken aback by how useful the "back" button was. I didn't miss it on the phone or tablet, but it felt like such a natural function for an e-reader, where you don't normally swap randomly across multiple apps. Search for something, then search for something else, check the Wikipedia page, click a couple of links, and then hit back a few times and you're back to reading. I loved it.