You cannot set time without WLAN? Unbelievable..

[Little.Egret]

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_time_in_Europe

European Union Directive 2000/84/EC makes the observance of summer time mandatory for EU member states (except overseas territories), though a proposal to repeal this directive and require that member states observe their own choice[note 1] year-round is currently going through the legislative process as of July 2020, but has not seen progress since October 2020.[1]

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by John F

Doesn't seem like a logical conclusion? Make setting by wifi the default, and setting manually as an option. After all, we all know little old ladies don't have wifi?

Yes, there will always be those situations where there is no WiFi. If you cannot set the time, then it messes up Recent order, and time will begin anew every time the battery runs down.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by Little.Egret

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_time_in_Europe

European Union Directive 2000/84/EC makes the observance of summer time mandatory for EU member states (except overseas territories), though a proposal to repeal this directive and require that member states observe their own choice[note 1] year-round is currently going through the legislative process as of July 2020, but has not seen progress since October 2020.[1]

OK, my bad, mysteriously it was CET+1, European Summer Time that was proposed. But it's dead. Not happening in foreseeable future and unless all EU, plus Norway, Switzerland and UK etc does it, it's pointless. CET would have suited France, Netherlands, UK, Ireland, Spain and Portugal far better than CET+1 (Aka DST/Summer time).

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by John F

Doesn't seem like a logical conclusion? Make setting by wifi the default, and setting manually as an option. After all, we all know little old ladies don't have wifi?

I'm going to have to disagree with that. My mother died at age 89 and she had WiFi, a Sony T1, a laptop, and an iPad Mini.

If she hadn't died, she would have had a Kobo Aura H2O on her birthday.

[John F]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm going to have to disagree with that. My mother died at age 89 and she had WiFi, a Sony T1, a laptop, and an iPad Mini.

If she hadn't died, she would have had a Kobo Aura H2O on her birthday.

I was trying to be satirical about stereotyping the "little old ladies" post.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by John F

I was trying to be satirical about stereotyping the "little old ladies" post.

So you were just kidding with the suggestion that time be set by default over wifi but also provide the option to set time manually?

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by Little.Egret

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/Summer_time_in_Europe

European Union Directive 2000/84/EC makes the observance of summer time mandatory for EU member states (except overseas territories), though a proposal to repeal this directive and require that member states observe their own choice[note 1] year-round is currently going through the legislative process as of July 2020, but has not seen progress since October 2020.[1]

Changing it can be remarkably expensive. My house central heating unit (a fairly widely installed one) has hardwired time change rules which cannot be changed without replacing the unit: I guess they assumed that since EU rules hadn't changed for decades and the UK was hardly going to leave they could hardwire the lot. Whoops!

Replacing the unit needs both a plumber and an electrician and obviously since this unit is a whole twelve years old they don't make it any more and replacing it is an expensive sod. There are probably hundreds of thousands of houses in the UK alone in the exact same position.

I hate GMT and think the UK should be on BST year-round -- but that doesn't mean that doing it is easy or cheap

[John F]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

So you were just kidding with the suggestion that time be set by default over wifi but also provide the option to set time manually?

No. The part about old ladies was a jab at the post I quoted.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

If she hadn't died, she would have had a Kobo Aura H2O on her birthday.

Surely an Aura is a perfect (and suitably spectral) gift to give someone even after they die? At least until Kobo produces a Medium, anyway.

[haertig]

I don't think I've ever seen a device that doesn't allow you to set the date and time manually. Supporting time setting via network is convenient, and common, but I've never seen it being mandatory on any consumer device. A definite low point for Amazon if this is indeed true. I can see zero rationale for the restriction, save for a method to try and force people to connect their Kindles to the internet. Most likely to enable Amazon's data collection to increase their profits, and for heavy-handed control of Kindles that are no longer Amazon's property - since they have been sold to customers.

I hate to say it, but it's abusing your customers like this that makes them less loyal to you, and more likely to try to screw you back (obtain books from pirate sites, etc.) as "payback". It's a little thing for sure, but the "little things" that Amazon is doing add up in congregate.
The problem is, when customers go for payback it probably hurts the authors more than it hurts Amazon, but Amazon is the one causing (or at least inciting) the problems by their own actions. However, when you're the big gorilla in the room, you don't have to care. Amazon is quite the gorilla these days.

[arturg]

On my PW5, I can set the time manually and with latest firmware 5.15.1

[kacir]

Originally Posted by haertig

I don't think I've ever seen a device that doesn't allow you to set the date and time manually.

My wife has a "fitness watch" Huawei Watch Fit. It costs about 70+Euro and has many fancy features, including oxygen level meter. Yet, the only way of changing time (ON A WATCH!) is to connect it via blue tooth to a phone with installed and running app from Huawei. I couldn't believe that and I spent quite some time looking for a way to set if from the watch interface. I had to cave in and ask my daughter to lend us a phone with Android that isn't too old (7.0 or newer). Sigh ...
https://www.google.com/url?sa=t&rct=...OQJMHJIMQdaxEF

[John F]

Originally Posted by haertig

I don't think I've ever seen a device that doesn't allow you to set the date and time manually. ...

Could you check your PW3?

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by arturg

On my PW5, I can set the time manually and with latest firmware 5.15.1

But Date?

[Quoth]

I just checked my two PW3 Kindles. Of course both flat because Amazon does little more than put a sleep screen or blank it, so a delay till they charged enough to boot.
No method to set date other than enable WiFi. The time reset to 12 pm, and can be adjusted. Date stamps on reading will be wrong ongoing. the older search command and menu levels that show date are missing. If you annotated, no doubt "my clippings" will be wrong.

Almost certainly the lack of being able to set date is an erroneous or over-zealous desire to protect library/shared/KU loans.

KU is anti-competitive with regular libraries as Amazon doesn't buy copies it loans and also may reduce income to authors as it's not just based on page reads but on a "pot" decided by Amazon. In UK and Ireland the libraries have to buy whatever number of virtual copies of ebooks for simultaneous loan and unlike USA also pay a small royalty per paper or ebook copy borrowed (irrespective of pages read).
Amazon's "innovative" pay author / publisher on basis of pages read is an invasion of user Privacy, may not always work accurately and breaks the reasonable model of how creative content is sold which has existed ever since libraries existed or content selling has existed. The Internet Archive Library is worse and Google's scanning of copyright works is USA state enabled theft. It's not just aiding search.