Serve aiuto per la traduzione!

Leonatus · 10-29-2022, 04:21 AM

Attualmente sto traducendo un libro di Antonio Fogazzaro in tedesco per MobileRead. Poiché rende molti dialoghi in dialetto (piemontese o veneto), alcuni non li capisco e non ci sono dizionari che mi aiutino.
Pertanto, mi rivolgo alla comunità italiana qui presente!
Che cosa significa?
«El sarà el caldiero de le strie che fuma.»
«Al manco’ pensò la Raselli "che le strie me trovasse el me fiocheto’.»
Grazie mille per l'aiuto!

ps67 · 10-30-2022, 03:57 PM

I'm sorry, I'm Tuscan so I don't know the northern dialects, when someone speaks them I don't understand a word.

However, "strie" should be the plural of "stria" which means "strega" witch, and that's the one thing I'm pretty sure about. Only in Puglia "stria" means girl but Puglia is in the southern Italy and I am sure that Fogazzaro didn't want to means girl with "stria".
I can't find "caldiero" anywhere, but if it smokes it could be "calderone" the cauldron, a word that resembles it, a large pot where the witches heat or boil something. it's a guess.
Fiocheto could be "fiocchetto" diminutive of "fiocco" that would be "bow" or maybe a "nastro" ribbon or something like that. But again it is a guess.
I waited if someone could help you a little better than me but since there is no one I do what I can.
Of course I have not read the sentences that are around those you report so I cannot know if my assumptions make sense or not.

Terisa de morgan · 10-30-2022, 04:39 PM

"caldiero" is very similar to "caldero" (Spanish), cauldron.

Quoth · 10-30-2022, 06:42 PM

Is it a question about the novel "Piccolo mondo moderno" by Fogazzaro, Antonio, 1842-1911?

Which is actually Italian. https://archive.org/details/piccolomondomode00fogauoft
I recommend that the PDF might be the more useful download. Mostly Archive Org ebook formats are bad automatic OCR.

Would appear to be public domain everywhere.

Leonatus · 10-31-2022, 05:26 AM

Thank you all!
Meanwhile, I found a dictionary of the venetian "language". I'll see whether it can help. Indeed, the word "stria" or "strie" causes mostly the issue. And, in fact, it is the book that Quoth mentions. I have downloaded the Italian version from an Italian site, as well as the English translation from IA. The last one doesn't help, because they left out the part in discussion.
I'll keep on poking around!

Leonatus · 10-31-2022, 05:43 AM

Well, I think I've got it by your support:
El sarà el caldiero de le strie che fuma.
It might be the witches' pot that smolders.
Al manco’ pensò la Raselli "che le strie me trovasse el me fiocheto’
If at least ... the witches could find me my ribbon.
Any objections to this solution? - If not, then thanks once more!

ps67 · 10-31-2022, 09:21 AM

I have found "fiocheto" (fiocchetto) in a dictionary of the dialect of Verona in the web. May be not "ribbon" but "bow"? I don't know, bow is more a literally translation, but it could be ribbon if it is intended with the material used to do a bow...

Translation is a complicated matter

https://www.larenadomila.it/sito/l%C...nese.html#e_gu

Leonatus · 10-31-2022, 10:37 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by ps67

I have found "fiocheto" (fiocchetto) in a dictionary of the dialect of Verona in the web. May be not "ribbon" but "bow"? I don't know, bow is more a literally translation, but it could be ribbon if it is intended with the material used to do a bow...

Translation is a complicated matter

Yes, it is! In German, I have translated fiocheto with "Schleife", that is bow in English. Thanks for the hint, though!

10-29-2022, 04:21 AM	#1
Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,050 Karma: 11391181 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	Serve aiuto per la traduzione! Attualmente sto traducendo un libro di Antonio Fogazzaro in tedesco per MobileRead. Poiché rende molti dialoghi in dialetto (piemontese o veneto), alcuni non li capisco e non ci sono dizionari che mi aiutino. Pertanto, mi rivolgo alla comunità italiana qui presente! Che cosa significa? «El sarà el caldiero de le strie che fuma.» «Al manco’ pensò la Raselli "che le strie me trovasse el me fiocheto’.» Grazie mille per l'aiuto!

10-30-2022, 03:57 PM	#2
ps67 Guru Posts: 753 Karma: 7025494 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Italy Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Kobo Elipsa, Pocketbook Inkpad 4, Inkpad Color	I'm sorry, I'm Tuscan so I don't know the northern dialects, when someone speaks them I don't understand a word. However, "strie" should be the plural of "stria" which means "strega" witch, and that's the one thing I'm pretty sure about. Only in Puglia "stria" means girl but Puglia is in the southern Italy and I am sure that Fogazzaro didn't want to means girl with "stria". I can't find "caldiero" anywhere, but if it smokes it could be "calderone" the cauldron, a word that resembles it, a large pot where the witches heat or boil something. it's a guess. Fiocheto could be "fiocchetto" diminutive of "fiocco" that would be "bow" or maybe a "nastro" ribbon or something like that. But again it is a guess. I waited if someone could help you a little better than me but since there is no one I do what I can. Of course I have not read the sentences that are around those you report so I cannot know if my assumptions make sense or not. Last edited by ps67; 10-30-2022 at 04:05 PM.

10-31-2022, 09:21 AM	#7
ps67 Guru Posts: 753 Karma: 7025494 Join Date: Aug 2017 Location: Italy Device: Kindle Paperwhite, Kobo Elipsa, Pocketbook Inkpad 4, Inkpad Color	I have found "fiocheto" (fiocchetto) in a dictionary of the dialect of Verona in the web. May be not "ribbon" but "bow"? I don't know, bow is more a literally translation, but it could be ribbon if it is intended with the material used to do a bow... Translation is a complicated matter https://www.larenadomila.it/sito/l%C...nese.html#e_gu Last edited by ps67; 10-31-2022 at 09:28 AM.

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Leonatus Wizard Posts: 1,050 Karma: 11391181 Join Date: Mar 2013 Location: Guben, Brandenburg, Germany Device: Kobo Clara 2E, Tolino Shine 3	Well, I think I've got it by your support: El sarà el caldiero de le strie che fuma. It might be the witches' pot that smolders. Al manco’ pensò la Raselli "che le strie me trovasse el me fiocheto’ If at least ... the witches could find me my ribbon. Any objections to this solution? - If not, then thanks once more!