How to add tweak for author_use_surname_suffixes

nami · 04-30-2022, 11:07 PM

Hi,

It's a few days I'm using Calibre and going to sort authors of 2000+ books.
In Persian it's common that surnames have a suffix. for example: pur, abadi, nezhad, etc.

Code:

first, last
ali, zamani pur
kamran, sharafi pur
hasan, kamal abadi
fatemeh, ebrahim abadi
arash, karim nezhad

I would like to do less manual tweaks for fixing authorsort and instead use a tweak to automatically treat all common suffixes as suffixes for surnames just like the one we have for prefixes.

theducks · 05-01-2022, 01:07 AM

Preferences: Tweaks:
You want
ID: author_sort_copy_method

nami · 05-01-2022, 07:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Preferences: Tweaks:
You want
ID: author_sort_copy_method

With that I have a 'copy' option which don't have benefit of 'comma' mode like sorting authors with surnames in Authors browser (in left panel).

Are these tweaks available to end-users in a folder or the like to manipulate?

theducks · 05-01-2022, 07:16 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nami

With that I have a 'copy' option which don't have benefit of 'comma' mode like sorting authors with surnames in Authors browser (in left panel).

Are these tweaks available to end-users in a folder or the like to manipulate?

Look further down on that. there are suffixes there also

nami · 05-01-2022, 11:39 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by theducks

Look further down on that. there are suffixes there also

'author_name_suffixes' is a little near to what I mean, but yet doesn't result in a perfect sort on authors since it ignores suffixes in surnames.

Simply, I want to implement 'author_use_surname_prefixes' but for suffixes.

un_pogaz · 05-02-2022, 03:56 AM

I don't think that the implementation of a author_use_surname_suffixes is relevant.
The way Caliber works to sort the names makes that, Yes it is necessary to pay attention to the prefixes and to manage them, but the management of suffix is superfluous (since they will all be grouped in the same place).

Develops a case where sorting a <first name> must be perfectly identical to <first name>+<suffix>?

DNSB · 05-02-2022, 01:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by un_pogaz

I don't think that the implementation of a author_use_surname_suffixes is relevant.
The way Caliber works to sort the names makes that, Yes it is necessary to pay attention to the prefixes and to manage them, but the management of suffix is superfluous (since they will all be grouped in the same place).

There is no need to implement the author surname suffixes functionality since the tweak mentioned by theducks already has that functionality. Editing the list of author_name_suffixes to use the suffixes to include the list of suffixes in Persian should take care of the issue going forward.

Quote:

# Author sort name algorithm

author_sort_copy_method = 'comma'

author_name_suffixes = ('Jr',
'Sr',
'Inc',
'Ph.D',
'Phd',
'MD',
'M.D',
'I',
'II',
'III',
'IV',
'Junior',
'Senior')

author_name_prefixes = ('Mr', 'Mrs', 'Ms', 'Dr', 'Prof')

author_name_copywords = ('Agency',
'Corporation',
'Company',
'Co.',
'Council',
'Committee',
'Inc.',
'Institute',
'National',
'Society',
'Club',
'Team')

author_use_surname_prefixes = False

author_surname_prefixes = ('da', 'de', 'di', 'la', 'le', 'van', 'von')

BetterRed · 05-02-2022, 06:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

There is no need to implement the author surname suffixes functionality since the tweak mentioned by theducks already has that functionality. Editing the list of author_name_suffixes to use the suffixes to include the list of suffixes in Persian should take care of the issue going forward.

Problem: people with genuine surname suffixes, such as Abadi, Nezhad etc, also acquire courtesy tags such as Esq, PhD etc

See "The Structure of Persian Names" ==>> https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdo...=rep1&type=pdf

un_pogaz · 05-03-2022, 11:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

There is no need to implement the author surname suffixes functionality since the tweak mentioned by theducks already has that functionality. Editing the list of author_name_suffixes to use the suffixes to include the list of suffixes in Persian should take care of the issue going forward.

The author_name_suffixes it's for the last name suffix, the case presented by nami are suffixes to the first name.

DNSB · 05-03-2022, 02:02 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nami

Hi,

It's a few days I'm using Calibre and going to sort authors of 2000+ books.
In Persian it's common that surnames have a suffix. for example: pur, abadi, nezhad, etc.

Quote:

Originally Posted by un_pogaz

The author_name_suffixes it's for the last name suffix, the case presented by nami are suffixes to the first name.

Perhaps a language issue since @nami specified surname which is, AFAIK, synonymous with last name or family name.

nami · 05-04-2022, 02:52 PM

Thanks all for your attention.

Quote:

Originally Posted by BetterRed

Problem: people with genuine surname suffixes, such as Abadi, Nezhad etc, also acquire courtesy tags such as Esq, PhD etc

See "The Structure of Persian Names" ==>> https://citeseerx.ist.psu.edu/viewdo...=rep1&type=pdf

Yes, you are right.

I think a more detailed example will help.

This is my list of authors (see attachment to copy):

Many names are as simple as last one "Elmira Abootorabi": a one-word firstname and a one-word lastname, but there are some names with compound parts and because in many compound lastnames that consist of two parts, the second part is the same, I want to Calibre treat the first and second part of lastname as a whole lastname.

And this is my current calibre tweak:

Spoiler:

BetterRed · 05-04-2022, 07:10 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by nami

Thanks all for your attention.

Yes, you are right.

I think a more detailed example will help.

This is my list of authors (see attachment to copy):

Many names are as simple as last one "Elmira Abootorabi": a one-word firstname and a one-word lastname, but there are some names with compound parts and because in many compound lastnames that consist of two parts, the second part is the same, I want to Calibre treat the first and second part of lastname as a whole lastname.

And this is my current calibre tweak:

Spoiler:

What happens if you replace the existing suffixes with the Persian name suffixes (in Persian RTL script) e.g.:

Code:

author_name_suffixes = ('abadi'
'ara'
'chi'
'dust'
'fard'
'far'
'ian' 
'yan'
'ju'
'kiya'
'kia'
'manesh'
'mand'
'niya'
'nia'
'nejad'
'nezhad'
'nejhad'
'parast'
'pur'
'pour'
'poor'
'rad'
'tabar'
'vand'
'var'
'yar'
'zadeh'
'zad')

Or add them to the existing list as you have with prefixes.

BR

nami · 05-04-2022, 08:57 PM

Yes, that's working. I should confess that when I was trying suffixes, I didn't checked sort order and by seeing that a name like "ali hasan abadi" turns into "abadi ali, hasan" in Manage authors window, I thought "abadi" in "hasan abadi" will be ignored on sort and then order of lastnames like "hasan pur", "hasan abadi" wouldn't be perfect... That's all wrong. Sorry.

Thank you all for your time

04-30-2022, 11:07 PM	#1
nami Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2019 Device: none	How to add tweak for author_use_surname_suffixes Hi, It's a few days I'm using Calibre and going to sort authors of 2000+ books. In Persian it's common that surnames have a suffix. for example: pur, abadi, nezhad, etc. Code: first, last ali, zamani pur kamran, sharafi pur hasan, kamal abadi fatemeh, ebrahim abadi arash, karim nezhad I would like to do less manual tweaks for fixing authorsort and instead use a tweak to automatically treat all common suffixes as suffixes for surnames just like the one we have for prefixes.

05-02-2022, 03:56 AM	#6
un_pogaz Chalut o/ Posts: 437 Karma: 145424 Join Date: Dec 2017 Device: Kobo	I don't think that the implementation of a author_use_surname_suffixes is relevant. The way Caliber works to sort the names makes that, Yes it is necessary to pay attention to the prefixes and to manage them, but the management of suffix is superfluous (since they will all be grouped in the same place). Develops a case where sorting a <first name> must be perfectly identical to <first name>+<suffix>? Last edited by un_pogaz; 05-02-2022 at 04:02 AM.

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nami Member Posts: 10 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jun 2019 Device: none	Yes, that's working. I should confess that when I was trying suffixes, I didn't checked sort order and by seeing that a name like "ali hasan abadi" turns into "abadi ali, hasan" in Manage authors window, I thought "abadi" in "hasan abadi" will be ignored on sort and then order of lastnames like "hasan pur", "hasan abadi" wouldn't be perfect... That's all wrong. Sorry. Thank you all for your time