New version of DRM removal tools ("DeDRM") - Page 103

JSWolf · 01-12-2022, 10:29 AM

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Originally Posted by rantanplan

But why does it matter? It's always better to be able to choose from multiple vendors, so that they (e.g. libraries) can easily choose the cheaper or more easy to implement DRM solution. If LCP would completely replace Adobe DRM, Readium could implement any pricing scheme they want.

But Readium DRM would mean we are screwed. There is no eInk Reader that supports LCP. And why would I want to buy another Reader when I just bought one? The thing is, this DRM needs to go away or at the least not be used.

What good is cheaper if we are unable to read our purchased eBooks where we want?

rantanplan · 01-12-2022, 10:57 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is no eInk Reader that supports LCP.

LCP is not a hardware feature. Right now, from the top of my head, Pocketbook and Tolino devices support this DRM scheme. Both of them didn't come with support out of the box, it was patched in with firmware updates. If the demand is there, manufacturers will implement it.

JSWolf · 01-12-2022, 11:40 AM

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Originally Posted by rantanplan

LCP is not a hardware feature. Right now, from the top of my head, Pocketbook and Tolino devices support this DRM scheme. Both of them didn't come with support out of the box, it was patched in with firmware updates. If the demand is there, manufacturers will implement it.

Thing is, I don't want LCP DRM. Not if it's unbreakable. And especially given that Readium is being such an ass about it.

rantanplan · 01-12-2022, 11:50 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thing is, I don't want LCP DRM. Not if it's unbreakable. And especially given that Readium is being such an ass about it.

But you are not the customer, the libraries and vendors are.

aborel · 01-12-2022, 12:53 PM

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Originally Posted by rantanplan

But you are not the customer, the libraries and vendors are.

Almost but not quite.
The libraries are not exactly a direct customer. They are the customers of service providers who insist on including this "feature" in their products. I don't think librarians see it as an added value - at least this librarian doesn't.

rantanplan · 01-12-2022, 01:18 PM

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Originally Posted by aborel

Almost but not quite.
The libraries are not exactly a direct customer. They are the customers of service providers who insist on including this "feature" in their products. I don't think librarians see it as an added value - at least this librarian doesn't.

Yes, thank you for the clarification

DNSB · 01-12-2022, 02:20 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thing is, I don't want LCP DRM. Not if it's unbreakable. And especially given that Readium is being such an ass about it.

It's already proven not to be unbreakable otherwise Readium would not be taking to the legal route.

ratinox · 01-12-2022, 03:06 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Thing is, I don't want LCP DRM. Not if it's unbreakable. And especially given that Readium is being such an ass about it.

No DRM is unbreakable.

JSWolf · 01-12-2022, 04:25 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

It's already proven not to be unbreakable otherwise Readium would not be taking to the legal route.

But if the code to break the DRM is not available because they've DMCAed it away, then we cannot break the DRM.

DNSB · 01-12-2022, 05:25 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But if the code to break the DRM is not available because they've DMCAed it away, then we cannot break the DRM.

You mean you didn't download it before the takedown?

darryl · 01-12-2022, 05:45 PM

It's not possible to put the genie back into the bottle! The code is out there and is not going to vanish. But it's no longer easily obtainable by everyone with a single click of the mouse. The situation will be more in keeping with what usually happens with software of this type. Those who want to be able to de-drm LCP will need to search for what they want and perhaps have a little knowledge. It is no longer trivial. Most won't bother and it will be beyond many. Right now an appropriate Google amongst other methods reveals many possibilities.

To me LCP is no big deal. I remain unaffected. I don't like DRM. I don't want to see an additional widespeard system including LCP. On the other hand, I find it hard to get too perturbed about a system which is overwhelmingly used to protect library books, at least so far.

jhowell · 01-12-2022, 05:59 PM

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Originally Posted by darryl

The situation will be more in keeping with what usually happens with software of this type. Those who want to be able to de-drm LCP will need to search for what they want and perhaps have a little knowledge. It is no longer trivial. Most won't bother and it will be beyond many. Right now an appropriate Google amongst other methods reveals many possibilities.

Risk is a big factor that will stop many from proceeding. The DeDRM tools are well examined and known to be safe to use. A Google search might easily lead to malware.

ratinox · 01-12-2022, 06:58 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But if the code to break the DRM is not available because they've DMCAed it away, then we cannot break the DRM.

That's not how it works. Burrying this one instance of a tool does not remove any other instances of it from the Universe. Nor does it prevent anyone from reimplementing the tool, although the aggressive takedown does serve as warning to anyone who might reimplement to do so quietly.

darryl · 01-12-2022, 09:05 PM

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Originally Posted by jhowell

Risk is a big factor that will stop many from proceeding. The DeDRM tools are well examined and known to be safe to use. A Google search might easily lead to malware.

Thanks for pointing this out. One should always be aware of the risks inherent in running software from untrusted sources. Even copies of the tools can carry malware.

The good news is that it seems noDRM has been able to have the repository reinstated with the offending parts removed.

badgoodDeb · 01-12-2022, 11:26 PM

I'm familiar with only the concept of Git (used it for some code I modified). Wasn't the tree manager.

Is there a "download just the executable" right now, or do I have to request the whole source code tree? I just want to run the non-LCP code and don't care about what's inside it.

01-12-2022, 05:45 PM	#1541
darryl Wizard Posts: 3,108 Karma: 60231510 Join Date: Nov 2011 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura H2O, Kindle Oasis, Huwei Ascend Mate 7	It's not possible to put the genie back into the bottle! The code is out there and is not going to vanish. But it's no longer easily obtainable by everyone with a single click of the mouse. The situation will be more in keeping with what usually happens with software of this type. Those who want to be able to de-drm LCP will need to search for what they want and perhaps have a little knowledge. It is no longer trivial. Most won't bother and it will be beyond many. Right now an appropriate Google amongst other methods reveals many possibilities. To me LCP is no big deal. I remain unaffected. I don't like DRM. I don't want to see an additional widespeard system including LCP. On the other hand, I find it hard to get too perturbed about a system which is overwhelmingly used to protect library books, at least so far. Last edited by darryl; 01-12-2022 at 05:47 PM.

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badgoodDeb Grand Sorcerer Posts: 8,547 Karma: 64462893 Join Date: Jan 2008 Location: Harrisburg outskirts Device: Palms, K1-4s, iPads, iPhones, KV, KO1	I'm familiar with only the concept of Git (used it for some code I modified). Wasn't the tree manager. Is there a "download just the executable" right now, or do I have to request the whole source code tree? I just want to run the non-LCP code and don't care about what's inside it.