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I buy most of my ebooks 214 64.85%
I use P2P to get most of my ebooks 87 26.36%
I use P2P to read my ebooks and then buy the good ones (nobody believes this btw.) 23 6.97%
I don't read ebooks 6 1.82%
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:21 PM   #616
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Aren't most pirated ebooks sourced from pbooks?
They are, or at least were, for the most part scans of pbooks. I've noticed a lot more cracked ebooks lately (mostly Amazon from what people are claiming). There's a small push toward ePub as the distribution format for shared copies, but I haven't seen any official rules nominating that as the standard for sharing.

EDIT: it seems a lot more 'claimed to be ripped from Amazon' since the whole kindle-on-itouch thing came out. No hard stats on this, just an observation.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:24 PM   #617
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Aren't most pirated ebooks sourced from pbooks?
I don't have enough experience with the darknet to answer definitively, but my kneejerk answer would be "no". From what I have seen that goes on, mostly it's the new stuff that is available already in ebook format that gets passed around. If it's old stuff that's still in copyright but out of print, and the publisher hasn't released it in ebook format, it's impossible to get hold of, even on the darknet. It's also certain formats that have the biggest problem.
Romance is very popular. So is science fiction. Mysteries, not so much. (Actually, not at all, in my experience).
However, as I said, I'm by no means an expert on the things available through the darknet avenues. People who know more complete ways to search might be able to find more things - but that again brings up the question of how widespread. I'm no dummy, but there are places I won't go for the safety of my computer.
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:32 PM   #618
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I don't have enough experience with the darknet to answer definitively, but my kneejerk answer would be "no". From what I have seen that goes on, mostly it's the new stuff that is available already in ebook format that gets passed around. If it's old stuff that's still in copyright but out of print, and the publisher hasn't released it in ebook format, it's impossible to get hold of, even on the darknet. It's also certain formats that have the biggest problem.
Romance is very popular. So is science fiction. Mysteries, not so much. (Actually, not at all, in my experience).
However, as I said, I'm by no means an expert on the things available through the darknet avenues. People who know more complete ways to search might be able to find more things - but that again brings up the question of how widespread. I'm no dummy, but there are places I won't go for the safety of my computer.
Which mystery series were you looking for, just out of curiosity?
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Old 04-03-2009, 03:56 PM   #619
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Which mystery series were you looking for, just out of curiosity?
Shel, you've got me curious now too since we seem to like some of the same authors.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:02 PM   #620
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Moe, honey, if I posted the list, y'all would kick me off the forums. Let me just say that the list of authors on my Google Notebook numbers 58.

The specific series I've been referring to are the Hannah Swensen series by Joanne Fluke. The first book in the series, Chocolate Chip Cookie Murder is the one that is only available at Amazon and only in Topaz format. The fifth book in the series, Fudge Cupcake Murder, is not even available in ebook format at Amazon. It's available precisely NOWHERE. So, I'll end up finding a pbook and scanning it, too. The rest of the series I've been able to buy in ebook format. Why they missed these two, I don't have a clue.

The other series is by Charlotte MacLeod/Alisa Craig. She wrote the Peter Shandy series and the Sarah and Max Bittersohn series, also a series with the Canadian Mountie Rhys, and one about the Grub & Stakers. They're ALL good..and they're all out of print and not available anywhere in ebook format, legitimately. Or illegitimately either, as far as I can tell. There are several mystery series that are this way. Either the publisher has only released the latest ones in ebook format, or they aren't released at all.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:03 PM   #621
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Moe, honey, if I posted the list, y'all would kick me off the forums. Let me just say that the list of authors on my Google Notebook numbers 58.

The specific series I've been referring to are the Hannah Swensen series by Joanne Fluke. The first book in the series, Chocolate Chip Cookie Murder is the one that is only available at Amazon and only in Topaz format. The fifth book in the series, Fudge Cupcake Murder, is not even available in ebook format at Amazon. It's available precisely NOWHERE. So, I'll end up finding a pbook and scanning it, too. The rest of the series I've been able to buy in ebook format. Why they missed these two, I don't have a clue.

The other series is by Charlotte MacLeod/Alisa Craig. She wrote the Peter Shandy series and the Sarah and Max Bittersohn series, also a series with the Canadian Mountie Rhys, and one about the Grub & Stakers. They're ALL good..and they're all out of print and not available anywhere in ebook format, legitimately. Or illegitimately either, as far as I can tell. There are several mystery series that are this way. Either the publisher has only released the latest ones in ebook format, or they aren't released at all.

Now that you mention it, I do remember an earlier posting where you mention Joanne Fluke. I did manage to find audiobooks, but no ebooks on the sharing sites (I'm not using Darknet or Piracy any longer).
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:09 PM   #622
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Yeah, I thought we'd had this discussion before, Moe. They simply are not out there.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:14 PM   #623
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Yeah, I thought we'd had this discussion before, Moe. They simply are not out there.
Shame I'm still looking for the Andrew Bergman 'Jack Levine' novels in ebook. No such luck.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:14 PM   #624
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Answering guide:
- from below, use the guide that is the most closest thing to your situation
- if it was published free or if you own the paper book version, then select the first option
- if you did lend it from library and deleted it when you returned it to the library, then select the first option
- if it is illegal, then select the second option
- if the third or fourth option really sounds the right one, then by all means select one of those
- if none of above applies and if your country classifies it as legal, but rest of the world thinks it's illegal, then select the second option
- otherwise select the first option
This sounds too much like the US's income tax form's instructions...
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:25 PM   #625
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I don't like the editorializing in the poll about option 3.

I've switched almost completely to e-books from paper, and I spend about the same on e-books as I did on paper books. However, the vast majority of the e-books I have (about 2k books, excluding the Gutenberg and other public domain ones) are pirated. I don't feel particularly evil about this, as 90% of the pirated ones are electronic versions of books I've previously bought in paper. It may be illegal, but I don't see it as immoral at all - I've already paid for the content, I'm just using it in a different form.

The remainder are ones that happened to be in a torrent with a book that I remembered I liked in paper, or ones not available in non-DRM e-book form. If/when future works by the author become available in non-DRM ebook form I'm happy to buy them, it's less trouble than hunting all over the web for pirated copies and suffering through the uneven quality.
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Old 04-03-2009, 04:25 PM   #626
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Libraries are given permission to loan books (among other media) in their possession to the public. As such, they provide an important function in most communities. They do not function as a gateway for the distribution of materials obtained through, what amount to, illegal channels.
They are not given permission individually by each copyright holder.

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Again, you’ve yet to cite an example in which an author denied library access to his or her book or books. You mentioned that you remembered a case, but memory is faulty, and not an acceptable example of actual evidence to support your argument.
This is totally irrelevant for the purpose of analyzing the moral reasoning. Assume that and author appear that would like to refuse libraries to lend out his books. How is the moral reasoning done in this case and what is the conclusion?
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They are not given permission individually by each copyright holder.



This is totally irrelevant for the purpose of analyzing the moral reasoning. Assume that and author appear that would like to refuse libraries to lend out his books. How is the moral reasoning done in this case and what is the conclusion?
It’s entirely relevant if not a single precedent exists. Otherwise, you’re simply constructing men fashioned of straw in an attempt to buttress your argument.

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Actually the first part is not "let's say" since all devices break sooner rather than later and eink ones are fragile so I expect a Kindle to have a 2-3 year average life.

The second part - maybe there will be Kindle 3 in 2 years, but what in 10 years?
Of course *Amazon* wants you to keep buying Kindle 3, Kindle 4...

The whole "never encountered a problem" with drm works only if you regard books as disposable the way magazines are. That of course is anyone's prerogative, but most people do not regard books so
Sure if your K1 breaks and needs replacing, you can purchase a K2. But any saved newspapers or Blogs will all be worthless as they do expire from Amazon and the PID in them will not work on the new K2. So really, DRM is going to eventually keep you from accessing content that you've legally paid for sometime in the future.
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I have an idea for when a work comes out of copyright and into the public domain.

The work remains in copyright while the author is alive. Then the author dies. The will says who the copyright passes on to and when that person dies, the work then becomes public domain. That sounds fair. That gives the author the ability to pass it on to the spouse or one of the kids and then it goes into public domain after that.
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