Embedding Adobe Fonts into a Kindle title

[phillipgessert]

I may be wrong, but I’d think Adobe’s cloud fonts are required to be obfuscated, and I thought Adobe’s font obfuscation was incompatible with Kindle. If that’s the case then that alone kills it, epubcheck or no.

Edit: I might learn to read one of these days. I hadn’t noticed that it apparently worked on a Kindle device, so I guess I’m wrong. Unless it was exported as a fixed-layout?

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by phillipgessert

I may be wrong, but I’d think Adobe’s cloud fonts are required to be obfuscated, and I thought Adobe’s font obfuscation was incompatible with Kindle. If that’s the case then that alone kills it, epubcheck or no.

Edit: I might learn to read one of these days. I hadn’t noticed that it apparently worked on a Kindle device, so I guess I’m wrong.

Phillip:

AFAIK, you're right (with the exception of fixed-layout, for reasons that elude me!), for everything. They will not pass ePUBcheck, and they don't work at Kindle, either. Or...I should say, you (used to) get an error message telling you that you can't use obfuscated fonts.

@Monaghan: ARE you talking about cloud fonts, or fonts you purchased from Adobe's foundry and physically have on your computer????

Hitch

[phillipgessert]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Phillip:

AFAIK, you're right (with the exception of fixed-layout, for reasons that elude me!), for everything. They will not pass ePUBcheck, and they don't work at Kindle, either. Or...I should say, you (used to) get an error message telling you that you can't use obfuscated fonts.

@Monaghan: ARE you talking about cloud fonts, or fonts you purchased from Adobe's foundry and physically have on your computer????

Hitch

Yeah, when I got to thinking about it, I started to half think OP’s was a fixed-layout except that an InDesign FL shouldn’t work on Kindle either, or so I thought. Very curious!

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by phillipgessert

Yeah, when I got to thinking about it, I started to half think OP’s was a fixed-layout except that an InDesign FL shouldn’t work on Kindle either, or so I thought. Very curious!

INDD FXLs do not work on Amazon. Trust me on this. I cannot tell you how many customers come to my door with just that problem--their print designer blithely handed them this "wonderful" fXL ePUB--and they uploaded it to KDP and it looked fantastic on Previewer and then completely blew up on real live devices. I mean, well and truly, 3 new customers/week with this issue.

We have to wait for Monaghan to come back and tell us what s/he did!

Hitch

[Monaghan]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Phillip:
@Monaghan: ARE you talking about cloud fonts, or fonts you purchased from Adobe's foundry and physically have on your computer????

Adobe cloud fonts.

Originally Posted by phillipgessert

Yeah, when I got to thinking about it, I started to half think OP’s was a fixed-layout except that an InDesign FL shouldn’t work on Kindle either, or so I thought. Very curious!

Reflowable EPUB2.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by Monaghan

Adobe cloud fonts.



Reflowable EPUB2.

Well, then, I guess that makes you a steely-eyed ePUB pilot, because I don't know anyone else--including the folks in my crews who've made thousands of the damn things--that can make an Adobe/Typekit cloud font scenario work for ePUBcheck OR Kindle. Seriously, I mean it.

Do you mind saying what fonts you used? Presumably, not fonts that are already available on Kindles, right?

Hitch

[Quoth]

Or maybe the fonts are already on the PC where the epub was made?

[phillipgessert]

I was curious, so I doublechecked and found some Google fonts are available via Adobe as well. Perhaps those or other OFL fonts in the collection can escape the Adobe obfuscation and thus render properly for a reflowable Kindle file.

[Monaghan]

Once subset, the fonts can be de-obfuscated from within Sigil, which lets the file pass EPUBcheck. It's a very straightforward process, which does lead me to believe I'm missing something blindingly obvious. It works with any font from Adobe Fonts that I've tried.

[phillipgessert]

Originally Posted by Monaghan

Once subset, the fonts can be de-obfuscated from within Sigil, which lets the file pass EPUBcheck. It's a very straightforward process, which does lead me to believe I'm missing something blindingly obvious. It works with any font from Adobe Fonts that I've tried.

Oh, ok--so it seems the reason is that the fonts aren't using Adobe's obfuscation anymore. That's what would've broken it on Kindle. It hadn't occurred to me that they were obfuscated and then de-obfuscated, for some reason.

From a technical perspective it makes sense, other than that I suppose it's worth noting that the process undid something Adobe wanted done with those fonts, so I would just make sure you read the EULA/terms on em real carefully.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by phillipgessert

Oh, ok--so it seems the reason is that they aren't using Adobe's obfuscation anymore. That's what would've broken it on Kindle. It hadn't occurred to me that they were obfuscated and then de-obfuscated, for some reason.

From a technical perspective it makes sense, other than that I suppose it's worth noting that the process undid something Adobe wanted done with those fonts, so I would just make sure you read the EULA/terms on em real carefully.

Wait, Phillip:

"They" whom? Who are the "they" that aren't using Adobe's obfuscation any longer? I wonder when the hell that happened. You mean InDD? No, that doesn't make sense, that's nuts, they're both Adobe products.

Who? And I wonder when the hell this happened?

Oh and OH YES, given that Adobe was the plaintiff in the infamous Adobe Systems, Inc. v. Southern Software, Inc. case, I'd be exceedingly careful, indeed.

Hitch

[phillipgessert]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Wait, Phillip:

"They" whom? Who are the "they" that aren't using Adobe's obfuscation any longer? I wonder when the hell that happened. You mean InDD? No, that doesn't make sense, that's nuts, they're both Adobe products.

Who? And I wonder when the hell this happened?

Hitch

Oh, sorry--by "they" I meant the fonts, not Adobe. The fonts are no longer obfuscated. OP de-obfuscated em in Sigil, which I figured unbroke em for Kindle.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by phillipgessert

Oh, sorry--by "they" I meant the fonts, not Adobe. The fonts are no longer obfuscated. OP de-obfuscated em in Sigil, which I figured unbroke em for Kindle.

Oh, wait. I see. When you said "they" you meant Monaghan.

Ohhhh....dudes. S/he de-obfuscated the fonts, and then used them? OH DEAR.

Yeah, no. Not for this girl. I want Adobe to give me a proctological exam like I want King Kong doing my hair. Noooooooooooooooooo.

Hitch

[phillipgessert]

Originally Posted by Hitch

Oh, wait. I see. When you said "they" you meant Monaghan.

Ohhhh....dudes. S/he de-obfuscated the fonts, and then used them? OH DEAR.

Yeah, no. Not for this girl. I want Adobe to give me a proctological exam like I want King Kong doing my hair. Noooooooooooooooooo.

Hitch

Yeah, thank you—I see multiple ways my post was confusing so I’ll edit to make it more obvious what I meant.

[Hitch]

Originally Posted by phillipgessert

Yeah, thank you—I see multiple ways my post was confusing so I’ll edit to make it more obvious what I meant.

Phillip, dear lad:

Don't give it another thought. One simple instance of pronoun confusion ("they") that's all. I thought that you meant a generic "they," like, "they, Adobe, didn't obfuscate the fonts..." which is why my head was doing a happy Exorcist Dance. :-) But alas, that's not the they that you meant or that Monaghan meant, sadly.

Thanks.

Hitch