Paperwhite news?

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by Paperbackstash

I've figured this was it when people are speaking of the "cold metal", which I've also never experienced except one night, where it warmed quickly after a minute of holding. Cases would come in handy if I were having that issue. Interesting it gets slippery if cold, that does make sense. I use a slipcover for mine and read without a case as I find it more pleasant that way, but if I lived somewhere freezing it may be a different story

I use a coverless polyurethane case with mine. It does make it heavier, but retains the original shape, which the ordinary case would not do. And I keep it in a closed sleeve when not in use.

[John F]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

They're not facts, but your personal opinion. It's not a fact that the shape of the Oasis is not ergonomic, but your opinion.

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Originally Posted by kyôdai

Yeah, I am pretty sure, those are facts.
But don't worry, I am not gonna list them for you a fourth time, just for you to ignore again...

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It sounds like kyodai is agreeing with you Sirtel. It is a fact that it is kyodai's opinion.

[NullNix]

Originally Posted by Paperbackstash

I've figured this was it when people are speaking of the "cold metal", which I've also never experienced except one night, where it warmed quickly after a minute of holding. Cases would come in handy if I were having that issue. Interesting it gets slippery if cold, that does make sense.

It's also true that if you have RSI you're more likely to buy an ergonomic Kindle than a non-ergonomic one, if just because lighter devices probably means they are less likely to trigger your RSI. RSI usually implies circulatory damage which means your fingers get cold easily, and then they *hurt*. And... the post-1 Oasis makes this *worse* unless you pay extra for some sort of skin to put back the plastic Amazon took away. Brilliant plan, Amazon. Clearly designed in California (this is not a compliment).

[Dr. Drib]

The Oasis 3 is a wonderful ebook reader. It has evolved since its initial inception from the first Oasis. I would buy another one if mine began to fail.

In my opinion, nothing beats the Voyage screen, but the current Oasis comes very close. Mine is beautifully lit, balanced in my hand, and feels great to read upon. It doesn't have that 'hardback smell' that sends shivers up and down my spine similar to orgasmic bliss. I understand there exist Book Brothels in some larger cities where one pays to purchase 'books', and where strangers sit on comfortable 'couches' sipping hot 'drinks' called 'cappuccinos'. They eat strangely baked 'cookies' and other types of 'food'. Full disclosure: I recently visited one of these places, hidden in a darkened alley where strange grunts and growls echoed around me. I finally found the place and entered. When I looked around in wonderment, I occasionally saw furtive glances pass between two or more strangers as someone 'fondled' his or her books. When no one was looking, I too picked up a book and did the same thing. People may 'purchase' books from strangely garbed individuals with outrageous facial hair who stand behind counters looking bored. This is a pretext, however, as they are quite anxious to take 'money' in exchange for books, but they do so only after quick glances left and right to ascertain that no one is looking. They put them in paper bags so that the general population will not become frightened if the contents are inadvertently revealed through some mishap or other. It's definitively a strange place, in my opinion.

So you see, no ebook reader - in my opinion - smells great. It just IS, and it resides in a place separate from, yet conjoined with, some form of reality.

Of course, these are my opinions and your opinions (not facts) may vary. I wish I could tell you what my drill sergeant said about opinions, but I'll leave it to your imagination. My drill sergeant never mentioned facts.

[kyôdai]

• It is a fact, that the core concept of the Oasis (according to Amazon) was a "lightweight and ergonomic" reader.
  
• It is a fact, that the first one achieved this with a detachable (battery) cover. Making it 27% to 40% lighter then the competition, without cover.
  
• It is a fact, that the Oasis 2 tried to continue this concept.
• It is a fact, that the Oasis 2 failed a this concept, because of massive design flaws. (Too weak magnets, that could not hold the detachable cover securely. Slippery metal back, etc.)
  
• It is a fact, that Amazon did not bother to fix these problems and discontinued the detachable cover instead.
  
• It is a fact, that as a result of these problems, the Oasis 2 is neither particulary lightweight nor particulary ergonomic anymore.
  
• It is a fact, that Amazon has not touched the Oasis design ever since. (With the "Oasis 3" being almost 100% identical, except for a few colored LEDs...)
  
• It is a fact, that after ingoring the Oasis for 4 years, Amazon gave most of its features to the Paperwhite, at $100 cheaper.

Based on these facts, it is my opinion, that there won't be another Oasis.

The concept is not viable anymore, Amazon has given no indication, that they are still interesested in it and with the introduction of the new Paperwhite, there are little arguments left for it.

Counter arguments we have collected so far:

- But I like it!!!
- Page-turn buttons!!!
- The Oasis mated with another Oasis and magically evolved on its own!!!

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by kyôdai

• It is a fact, that the core concept of the Oasis (according to Amazon) was a "lightweight and ergonomic" reader.
  
• It is a fact, that the first one achieved this with a detachable (battery) cover. Making it 27% to 40% lighter then the competition, without cover.
  
• It is a fact, that the Oasis 2 tried to continue this concept.
• It is a fact, that the Oasis 2 failed a this concept, because of massive design flaws. (Too weak magnets, that could not hold the detachable cover securely. Slippery metal back, etc.)
  
• It is a fact, that Amazon did not bother to fix these problems and discontinued the detachable cover instead.
  
• It is a fact, that as a result of these problems, the Oasis 2 is neither particulary lightweight nor particulary ergonomic anymore.
  
• It is a fact, that Amazon has not touched the Oasis design ever since. (With the "Oasis 3" being almost 100% identical, except for a few colored LEDs...)
  
• It is a fact, that after ingoring the Oasis for 4 years, Amazon gave most of its features to the Paperwhite, at $100 cheaper.

Based on these facts, it is my opinion, that there won't be another Oasis.

The concept is not viable anymore, Amazon has given no indication, that they are still interesested in it and with the introduction of the new Paperwhite, there are little arguments left for it.

Counter arguments we have collected so far:

- But I like it!!!
- Page-turn buttons!!!
- The Oasis mated with another Oasis and magically evolved on its own!!!

Once more:

It is your opinion that the current Oasis is not lightweight or ergonomic. It is not a fact. Also it is your opinion that it has massive design flaws, not a fact. (I couldn't care less about a detachable cover and in fact never bought or used one with either Oasis 2 or Oasis 3; and more than one people in this thread have said they like the metal back.)

Personally I consider the current Oasis to be both lightweight and ergonomic. That you don't, doesn't make your opinion a fact.

[Almamida]

isn't it odd that no Oasis seem to be available to purchase on Amazon.com ? Only the international versions. (or is it because I'm connected from Canada?)

[kyôdai]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Once more:
It is your opinion

It becomes evident, that you don't know what a fact or an opinion is.
Or rather that you try to downplay facts as opinion, when you don't like them.

I will add this to the list of counter-arguments:

- But I like it!!!
- Page-turn buttons!!!
- The Oasis mated with another Oasis and magically evolved on its own!!!
- Every fact, that I don't like, is just an opinion!!!

Originally Posted by Sirtel

It is your opinion that the current Oasis is not lightweight or ergonomic. It is not a fact.

It is not an opinion, it is a fact, that I have proven in previous posts.

But that is the beauty of facts. You can prove them.

You are saying that the Oasis is particulary lightweight and ergonomic, then please, show that to us.

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Also it is your opinion that it has massive design flaws, not a fact. (I couldn't care less about a detachable cover and in fact never bought or used one with either Oasis 2 or Oasis 3;

Again, you don't know what an opinion or a fact is.

It is a fact, that the Oasis 2 was supposed to have a detachable cover.
It is a fact, that it does not have one (anymore) because of a design flaw. (Magnets, that were too weak to hold the detachable cover securely.)

It is your opinion, that you don't care about this.

Originally Posted by Sirtel

and more than one people in this thread have said they like the metal back

This argument is on the list already.
It is the first one "But I like it!!!".

It does not change the fact, that the Oasis 2/3 has a metal backside, that most people have described as a bit slippery.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by kyôdai

It becomes evident, that you don't know what a fact or an opinion is.
Or rather that you try to downplay facts as opinion, when you don't like them.

I will add this to the list of counter-arguments:

- But I like it!!!
- Page-turn buttons!!!
- The Oasis mated with another Oasis and magically evolved on its own!!!
- Every fact, that I don't like, is just an opinion!!!



It is not an opinion, it is a fact, that I have proven in previous posts.

But that is the beauty of facts. You can prove them.

You are saying that the Oasis is particulary lightweight and ergonomic, then please, show that to us.



Again, you don't know what an opinion or a fact is.

It is a fact, that the Oasis 2 was supposed to have a detachable cover.
It is a fact, that it does not have one (anymore) because of a design flaw. (Magnets, that were too weak to hold the detachable cover securely.)

It is your opinion, that you don't care about this.



This argument is on the list already.
It is the first one "But I like it!!!".

It does not change the fact, that the Oasis 2/3 has a metal backside, that most people have described as a bit slippery.

You are the one who doesn't seem to know what a fact is. A fact is something objective, not depending on a given viewpoint. The ergonomics of the Oasis are subjective. Some love it, some don't and both viewpoints are equally valid. Ergo, they're opinions. The same goes for the metal back.

You can say a thousand times that the Oasis is not ergonomic. That doesn't make it so. You want to think it is so, be my guest. You have a right to your opinion.

And I haven't said that my opinion about the ergonomics of the Oasis is a fact. It's an opinion and as such, cannot be proven. Just like yours.

[Josieb1]

Originally Posted by kyôdai

Based on these facts, it is my opinion, that there won't be another Oasis.

The concept is not viable anymore, Amazon has given no indication, that they are still interesested in it and with the introduction of the new Paperwhite, there are little arguments left for it.

Counter arguments we have collected so far:

- But I like it!!!
- Page-turn buttons!!!
- The Oasis mated with another Oasis and magically evolved on its own!!!

The only people who know if a new Oasis will be eventually be released is Amazon. That is a fact, not an opinion.

[Dr. Drib]

The Oasis has continued to evolve and advance.

The screen on the Oasis 2 was made larger than on the first generation. Additional changes took place. Any changes that happened are facts. Writing about why changes take place are simply guesses and opinions on your part.

Also on the Oasis 2, the cover was redesigned in the way that it fits on the reader. Further advances incorporated more lights and a slightly larger battery. In other words, these are tweaks. Just because something is redesigned does not necessarily denote failure of the earlier model. When you characterize these changes in the way that you have done so, then you are expressing opinions.

To say that the Oasis 2 is a failure (again, your opinion) because of what you term "massive design flaws" is - as stated - simply your opinion about the Oasis 2, opinions which you carry forth on your discussion of the Oasis 3.

You are absolutely welcome to have opinions, just as other individuals can have differing opinions.

FACT: The Oasis has a 'bump' on the back.
OPINION A: I find it difficult to hold. It's uncomfortable to hold.
OPINION B: I like the way I can hold it in my hands. It's very comfortable.

[kyôdai]

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[kyôdai]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

You are the one who doesn't seem to know what a fact is. A fact is something objective, not depending on a given viewpoint. The ergonomics of the Oasis are subjective. Some love it, some don't and both viewpoints are equally valid. Ergo, they're opinions. The same goes for the metal back.

You can say a thousand times that the Oasis is not ergonomic. That doesn't make it so. You want to think it is so, be my guest. You have a right to your opinion.

And I haven't said that my opinion about the ergonomics of the Oasis is a fact. It's an opinion and as such, cannot be proven. Just like yours.

Yeah, again, you are donwplaying facts as opinions, because you don't like them.

Now you are saying facts are opinions, so you can chicken out and don't have to proof your statements.

It is very much possible to proof wether something is ergonomic to the human body.
Metals don't change their properties, based on how much you like them.
We have invented scales to measure things.

I have proven to you, that the original Oasis was exceptionally lightweight and ergonomic. So get going. Proof to us, that the current Oasis still is.

Originally Posted by Josieb1

The only people who know if a new Oasis will be eventually be released is Amazon. That is a fact, not an opinion.

Yes, I agree.
I cannot know for sure what is to come, but I base my opinion on pretty solid facts, that I have listed above. If you have any facts, that indicate something else, please share them with us.

We have collected these counter-arguments so far:

- But I like it!!!
- Page-turn buttons!!!
- The Oasis mated with another Oasis and magically evolved on its own!!!
- Every fact, that I don't like, is just an opinion!!!

Originally Posted by Dr. Drib

The Oasis has continued to evolve and advance.

The screen on the Oasis 2 was made larger than on the first generation. Additional changes took place. Any changes that happened are facts. Writing about why changes take place are simply guesses and opinions on your part.

Also on the Oasis 2, the cover was redesigned in the way that it fits on the reader. Further advances incorporated more lights and a slightly larger battery. In other words, these are tweaks. Just because something is redesigned does not necessarily denote failure of the earlier model. When you characterize these changes in the way that you have done so, then you are expressing opinions.

To say that the Oasis 2 is a failure (again, your opinion) because of what you term "massive design flaws" is - as stated - simply your opinion about the Oasis 2, opinions which you carry forth on your discussion of the Oasis 3.

You are absolutely welcome to have opinions, just as other individuals can have differing opinions.

FACT: The Oasis has a 'bump' on the back.
OPINION A: I find it difficult to hold. It's uncomfortable to hold.
OPINION B: I like the way I can hold it in my hands. It's very comfortable.

I am not quite sure how to reply to this. You are ignoring most of what I said and twist things into stuff, that I did not say.

Please quote what I actually said, and explain how you take exception to it.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by kyôdai

It is very much possible to proof wether something is ergonomic to the human body.

To an extent, yes. But not to the small details, any more than it's possible to prove which colors, smells or tastes are the most pleasing. If that was true, we'd all have the exact same furniture in our homes, in exactly the same color and we'd eat exactly the same things. And we all would use the exact same ereader.

An example: my sister bought a supposedly very ergonomic pillow. And she liked it. But her husband couldn't sleep with that pillow at all. So, if it's possible to predict the ergonomics of things to the smallest details, why was the pillow not comfortable for him?

You argue that it's the fact that the current Oasis is not ergonomic and the logical conclusion is, everyone should therefore find it uncomfortable to hold. But many people don't. Why is that?

I have proven to you, that the original Oasis was exceptionally lightweight and ergonomic. So get going. Proof to us, that the current Oasis still is.

I've never said that the current Oasis is exceptionally lightweight or ergonomic. I said that it is lightweight and ergonomic, not that it's exceptionally so. And that's my personal opinion, not a fact. Someone else may well think otherwise. Just as you do.

You're stating that what you believe are facts, not opinions. Prove that the Oasis is not ergonomic, then. So far you've said nothing to prove that. Yes, you've said that it's not as lightweight and ergonomic as the first version was, but no one is arguing with that. Of course it isn't. That doesn't mean it's NOT ergonomic, or that it's a failure. You, of course, think so, but you have proved nothing so far.

[kyôdai]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

I've never said that the current Oasis is exceptionally lightweight or ergonomic. I said that it is lightweight and ergonomic, not that it's exceptionally so. And that's my personal opinion, not a fact. Someone else may well think otherwise. Just as you do.

You're stating that what you believe are facts, not opinions. Prove that the Oasis is not ergonomic, then. So far you've said nothing to prove that. Yes, you've said that it's not as lightweight and ergonomic as the first version was, but no one is arguing with that. Of course it isn't. That doesn't mean it's NOT ergonomic, or that it's a failure. You, of course, think so, but you have proved nothing so far.

This is another thing that you do.
Instead of coming up with any arguments yourself, you just repeat what I said, with a "No, you are!!!".

I asked you to proof your statements.
Instead of doing so, you falsely claim that I have not proven mine...

But I have explained the Oasis concept to you.
I have given you the facts, that made the original Oasis particulary lightweight and ergonomic.
I have given you the facts, why the Oasis 2/3 does not fulfill this concept anymore.

Go back and read up on them yourself. I am not going to constantly repeat myself, just for you to ignore it again.

Originally Posted by Sirtel

You argue that it's the fact that the current Oasis is not ergonomic and the logical conclusion is, everyone should therefore find it uncomfortable to hold. But many people don't. Why is that?

No, that is not what I have said.
I did not say that it cannot be comfortable to hold and I did not say, that people should or cannot like it.

I said, that it lost almost everything, that once made it particulary ergonomic. (Again, see previous posts...) And that this is one of the reasons, why I believe, Amazon won't pursue this concept any further.