RTF, EPUB & LRF

gwynevans · 03-31-2009, 06:15 AM

I did a re-conversion of Ed Howdershelt's "An Encounter in Atlanta" using his RTF as the source & thought that some people might be interested in seeing the differences, on the Sony, at least.

The conversions were done via Calibre, and the only change from the default settings was to enable the "Remove blanks lines between paragraphs" setting for the EPUB to match the default behaviour of the LRF generation.

Files are RTF, EPUB1, EPUB2, LRF1, LRF2

Notes:

They're all shown using the 'Small' font size of the Sony viewer.
The RTF needs viewing in size 'L' to being it close to the others 'S' sizes
The "Remove blanks" also removes the blank between the title & the leading line
The two big EPUB/LRF differences can be easily seen - specifically the right-justification and the italics

astra · 03-31-2009, 02:08 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by gwynevans

The two big EPUB/LRF differences can be easily seen - specifically the right-justification and the italics

Where is the difference in italics?

DixieGal · 03-31-2009, 02:54 PM

I like the looks of the last 2 pics. It would be easy on the eyes.

Amalthia · 03-31-2009, 03:15 PM

What is the difference between LRF 1 and LRF 2 and EPUB 1 and EPUB 2?

gwynevans · 03-31-2009, 03:51 PM

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Originally Posted by astra

Where is the difference in italics?

Comparing EPUB2 & LRF2, take a look at the end of the italics section, where the LRF looks as there's an extra space in there, despite it being the same text.

gwynevans · 03-31-2009, 03:58 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Amalthia

What is the difference between LRF 1 and LRF 2 and EPUB 1 and EPUB 2?

Not sure if you mean the question in terms of:

The one pair shows images of the LRF output & the other of the EPUB output, or
The numbers show the page numbers, where the 1s show the page 1s and the 2s show the page 2s. Page 1s show the book 'start' formatting and page 2 shows italics, or
Justified both sides vs Left justified & 'pseudo' italics vs 'real' italics

astra · 03-31-2009, 04:24 PM

Do you mean epub2 has real italics?

Even f is the same in both instances instead of looking like: f

Amalthia · 03-31-2009, 07:18 PM

I just wasn't sure if Epub 1 and Epub 2 were two seperate conversions or the same conversion of the same amount of text from the RTF?

cerement · 03-31-2009, 10:47 PM

Don't know if it's just what fonts are available on the Sony, but neither the ePub nor the LRF have italics, both just have a slanted roman.

radius · 04-01-2009, 04:04 PM

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Originally Posted by cerement

Don't know if it's just what fonts are available on the Sony, but neither the ePub nor the LRF have italics, both just have a slanted roman.

But even if it is just slanted (which I'm not sure of), the italics from the epub renderer look much better than the italics for lrf.

pepak · 04-01-2009, 04:48 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerement

Don't know if it's just what fonts are available on the Sony, but neither the ePub nor the LRF have italics, both just have a slanted roman.

Are you sure about that? I checked a few books with italics after I integrated my fonts and the italics looked much better than your average "slanted font". Maybe it's just the default fonts on the Reader that don't have italics?

cerement · 04-01-2009, 07:04 PM

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Originally Posted by pepak

Are you sure about that? I checked a few books with italics after I integrated my fonts and the italics looked much better than your average "slanted font". Maybe it's just the default fonts on the Reader that don't have italics?

See attached image: Didn't recognize the font on the first PDF, the second was Times New Roman (or one of the many pirates around). Attached is a quick image showing two sets of fonts, top is Times New Roman, second is Cambria. Each set shows roman, slanted, and italics for comparison.

pepak · 04-02-2009, 02:16 AM

I will verify in the evening, but offhand I would say I really saw italics and not slant in my book.

gwynevans · 04-02-2009, 04:59 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by cerement

See attached image: Didn't recognize the font on the first PDF, the second was Times New Roman (or one of the many pirates around). Attached is a quick image showing two sets of fonts, top is Times New Roman, second is Cambria. Each set shows roman, slanted, and italics for comparison.

Interesting...

The font in the images of the LRF pages is the stock LRF font, i.e. "Dutch801 Rm BT Roman" & while I'm not sure of the details of the Calibre ePub creation, I'd expect that it's also using a default font on the reader rather than bundling one. Maybe you only get a real italic if you override the CSS & bundle your own font?

astra · 04-02-2009, 09:20 AM

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Originally Posted by radius

But even if it is just slanted (which I'm not sure of), the italics from the epub renderer look much better than the italics for lrf.

I have not noticed it. At all.

03-31-2009, 06:15 AM	#1
gwynevans Wizzard Posts: 1,402 Karma: 2000000 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: UK Device: iPad 2, iPhone 6s, Kindle Voyage & Kindle PaperWhite	RTF, EPUB & LRF I did a re-conversion of Ed Howdershelt's "An Encounter in Atlanta" using his RTF as the source & thought that some people might be interested in seeing the differences, on the Sony, at least. The conversions were done via Calibre, and the only change from the default settings was to enable the "Remove blanks lines between paragraphs" setting for the EPUB to match the default behaviour of the LRF generation. Files are RTF, EPUB1, EPUB2, LRF1, LRF2 Notes: They're all shown using the 'Small' font size of the Sony viewer. The RTF needs viewing in size 'L' to being it close to the others 'S' sizes The "Remove blanks" also removes the blank between the title & the leading line The two big EPUB/LRF differences can be easily seen - specifically the right-justification and the italics Attached Thumbnails

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03-31-2009, 02:54 PM	#3
DixieGal Hi There! Posts: 7,473 Karma: 2930523 Join Date: Feb 2008 Location: Ft Lauderdale Device: iPad	I like the looks of the last 2 pics. It would be easy on the eyes.

03-31-2009, 03:15 PM	#4
Amalthia Wizard Posts: 1,190 Karma: 32370 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Anchorage, AK Device: Sony Reader PRS-505, PRS-650, PRS-T3, Pocketbook HD2	What is the difference between LRF 1 and LRF 2 and EPUB 1 and EPUB 2?

03-31-2009, 04:24 PM	#7
astra The Introvert Posts: 8,307 Karma: 1000077497 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: United Kingdom Device: Sony Reader PRS-650 & 505 & 500	Do you mean epub2 has real italics? Even f is the same in both instances instead of looking like: f

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Amalthia Wizard Posts: 1,190 Karma: 32370 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Anchorage, AK Device: Sony Reader PRS-505, PRS-650, PRS-T3, Pocketbook HD2	I just wasn't sure if Epub 1 and Epub 2 were two seperate conversions or the same conversion of the same amount of text from the RTF?

03-31-2009, 10:47 PM	#9
cerement Groupie Posts: 170 Karma: 2000 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: San José, CA Device: Amazon Kindle 1, Sony PRS-300, Amazon Kindle 3	Don't know if it's just what fonts are available on the Sony, but neither the ePub nor the LRF have italics, both just have a slanted roman.

04-02-2009, 02:16 AM	#13
pepak Guru Posts: 610 Karma: 4150 Join Date: Mar 2008 Device: Sony Reader PRS-T3, Kobo Libra H2O	I will verify in the evening, but offhand I would say I really saw italics and not slant in my book.