Collection of modified/optimized serif fonts for long reading

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by erketre

Its not serif font at all. Besides, I don't find it very pretty.

While I personally don't find Bitter or Bitter Pro attractive fonts for long term reading, they are serif fonts.

[Semwize]

Originally Posted by DNSB

While I personally don't find Bitter or Bitter Pro attractive fonts for long term reading

I'd say it's prettier than Bookerly and has many glyphs ... But that's a matter of taste, of course.
And him must be corrected, the line spacing is too large.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Semwize

I'd say it's prettier than Bookerly and has many glyphs ... But that's a matter of taste, of course.
And him must be corrected, the line spacing is too large.

I don't find it prettier than Bookerly but again, a personal taste. As for the glyph collection? I've attached an image of Bitter's glyph support below. Other than Latin and Cyrillic, it's glyph support is not impressive with 976 glyphs supported including a very unimpressive 2 ligatures.

[Semwize]

Maybe we're talking about different fonts, perhaps? I see 1502 glyphs.



Bitter Pro

[erketre]

Originally Posted by Semwize

Maybe we're talking about different fonts, perhaps? I see 1502 glyphs.
Bitter Pro

Yes. Because glyphs are not the same as characters (many glyphs aren't characters)

While I personally don't find Bitter or Bitter Pro attractive fonts for long term reading, they are serif fonts.

They are slab serif fonts. Smtg between sans serif and serif.

[Semwize]

Originally Posted by erketre

Yes. Because glyphs are not the same as characters (many glyphs aren't characters)

Literata Book Regular | 1715 Glyphs
https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/literata-book

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Semwize

Maybe we're talking about different fonts, perhaps? I see 1502 glyphs.

Bitter Pro

The number I quoted is for Bitter as found on Google's font pages.

[Semwize]

Originally Posted by DNSB

The number I quoted is for Bitter as found on Google's font pages.

https://www.huertatipografica.com/en/fonts/bitter-ht
or
https://github.com/solmatas/BitterPro

>1500 Glyphs

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by erketre

Yes. Because glyphs are not the same as characters (many glyphs aren't characters)

An interesting view. For me, I seem to remember being told that each glyph of a font represents a character with the quibble that some of the glyphs can be combining characters and other glyphs are combined characters. A y combined with a ˘ (breve) or a ў for example.

Originally Posted by erketre

They are slab serif fonts. Smtg between sans serif and serif.

A slab serif is still a serif just a didone, Clarendon, etc. serif is a serif. My personal favourite tends to the transitional serifs. And yes, I've seen and participated in arguments about slab serifs just being sans serif designs with a heavy weight serif added.

[erketre]

Originally Posted by Semwize

Literata Book Regular | 1715 Glyphs
https://www.fontsquirrel.com/fonts/literata-book

Not every glyph in a font is mapped to a Unicode character.
Literata has about 1700 glyphs and 1200 characters. (I don't count Unicode composites - it is a different story).

Originally Posted by DNSB

An interesting view. For me, I seem to remember being told that each glyph of a font represents a character with the quibble that some of the glyphs can be combining characters and other glyphs are combined characters. A y combined with a ˘ (breve) or a ў for example.

I'm not an expert, but you can have glyphs that are not mapped to any character, or glyphs that are just a character's components (not Unicode composites, as you wrote, but internal components)

Originally Posted by DNSB

A slab serif is still a serif just a didone, Clarendon, etc. serif is a serif. My personal favourite tends to the transitional serifs. And yes, I've seen and participated in arguments about slab serifs just being sans serif designs with a heavy weight serif added.

Maybe, for me serif is just serif, not sans, not slab.
Have you seen any printed books using slab serif?

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by erketre

Maybe, for me serif is just serif, not sans, not slab.
Have you seen any printed books using slab serif?

A couple of kids books. But then that publisher also published a couple of books using Comic Sans. They published those have your kid's name as the protagonist books.

As for the types of serif? As I said, I prefer transitional serifs but that does not mean that I (at least not with a straight face) try to argue that Old Style, Didone, slab, Clarendon or glyphic were not also serif fonts.

For a real argument, are blackletter fonts serif fonts?

[erketre]

Originally Posted by DNSB

As for the types of serif? As I said, I prefer transitional serifs but that does not mean that I (at least not with a straight face) try to argue that Old Style, Didone, slab, Clarendon or glyphic were not also serif fonts.

For a real argument, are blackletter fonts serif fonts?

I know blackletter fonts only from heavy metal band's names

In the end it's a matter of naming. Why we call "sans serif" if there are no serifs in sans?
I agree, slab may have some kind of serifs. OK. But for me it's too modern and too different from more traditional serifs.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by erketre

I know blackletter fonts only from heavy metal band's names

In the end it's a matter of naming. Why we call "sans serif" if there are no serifs in sans?
I agree, slab may have some kind of serifs. OK. But for me it's too modern and too different from more traditional serifs.

IIRC, san serif fonts are a relatively recent development (the early 19th century is recent in typography). Would you have preferred Egyptian fonts as a name?

[erketre]

Originally Posted by DNSB

IIRC, san serif fonts are a relatively recent development (the early 19th century is recent in typography). Would you have preferred Egyptian fonts as a name?

No. I would prefer 3+ groups:
- serif
- slab
- sans
- heavy metal
- ...

[davidfor]

Originally Posted by erketre

No. I would prefer 3+ groups:
- serif
- slab
- sans
- heavy metal
- ...

"sans" means "without". So, "without" what? "sans serif" tells me that the font does not have any serifs. And the same with "slab". It is a type of serif so doesn't quite make sense by itself.