New Kobo Elipsa ereader - Page 7

jmmcg9 · 06-11-2021, 11:51 AM

Bigger screen! My eyes aren’t getting any better. Hopefully it will make PDFs readable (I currently only view PDFs on iPad). I also like to highlight and annotate notes as I read for technical books. I rarely review my notes, but I think the process helps me absorb the material.
The notebook feature combined with the lag of the stylus are definitely a step below the iPad with Apple Pencil, but I can see myself using it on occasions when my iPad isn’t around. I am not purchasing for this feature.

Prestidigitweeze · 06-11-2021, 12:29 PM

It's interesting that so many people are enamored of larger screens now; perhaps you live in manses with vast views. I inhabit an 800-square-foot condo and my music studio is a miniature of what it once was, so my device habits follow suit.

If eink screens were more fluid and adapted better to motion, perhaps I'd be fiending to manipulate a PDF of a large image on an Elipsa. But I've pared down my life deliberately and have been savoring smaller screens more than ever -- particularly still ones.

It's possible I'll get an Elipsa if it there's a fire sale someday, but I might have to move first and perhaps get a long banquet table -- the sort where Powell and Loy used to side-face each other while pretending to be hung over and baffled by their newspaper sections over twelve-course breakfasts.

We'll see. It will probably be another two years before I think about selling and moving.

Pajamaman · 06-11-2021, 01:17 PM

Yes, 10" is enormous. I recommend you don't get one unless you own an aircraft hangar or a large warehouse. I use a 7.8 and it's still a squeeze in my palatial mansion.

Pajamaman · 06-11-2021, 01:19 PM

Personally I think 10" is too large to hold for casual reading. It's only useful for pdf. 7.8 is the sweet spot.

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 01:42 PM

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Originally Posted by John F

Let me try Google translate:

Dein Beitrag war ein Thread Furz.

You seem to have problems with Google Translate, but it's easy - write something useful on the left side, then you'll find a usable article on the right side.

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 01:46 PM

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Originally Posted by PeterT

I think our confusion is that last paragraph. Is this saying that you won't be purchasing one since it IS a Kobo, or that others will purchase it since it IS a Kobo?

Quite simply: both, the former being certain, while the latter is only a guess

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by Pajamaman

Personally I think 10" is too large to hold for casual reading. It's only useful for pdf. 7.8 is the sweet spot.

Not even that - it's only useful for longer reading distance.

Since 10, 3 inch screens have the same number of pixels as 7.8s, you see exactly the same when using the 7.8 at 76% distance.

John F · 06-11-2021, 01:55 PM

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Originally Posted by ottischwenk

You seem to have problems with Google Translate, but it's easy - write something useful on the left side, then you'll find a usable article on the right side.

Your Gogle Translate appears to be different than mine. Mine does a straight translation and doesn't provide any related article. And it doesn't appear to make any judgement about the usefulness on the left side.

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 02:10 PM

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Originally Posted by John F

Your Gogle Translate appears to be different than mine. Mine does a straight translation and doesn't provide any related article. And it doesn't appear to make any judgement about the usefulness on the left side.

Please try to make your statement logically correct - either my google Translate is crazy, or your post is.

John F · 06-11-2021, 02:17 PM

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Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Please try to make your statement logically correct - either my google Translate is crazy, or your post is.

*

Hopefully you'll understand this simple post.

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 03:36 PM

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Originally Posted by John F

*

Hopefully you'll understand this simple post.

of course - you try very hard to contribute at least a little to the topic.

Pajamaman · 06-11-2021, 04:27 PM

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Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Not even that - it's only useful for longer reading distance.

Since 10, 3 inch screens have the same number of pixels as 7.8s, you see exactly the same when using the 7.8 at 76% distance.

No, 10" in landscape is optimum to read full pdf for me. 7.8 is doable.

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 04:41 PM

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Originally Posted by Pajamaman

No, 10" in landscape is optimum to read full pdf for me. 7.8 is doable.

Do the same with 7.8 and hold the device at a distance of 76% - then there is no difference.
And that can be proven physically.

DNSB · 06-11-2021, 05:14 PM

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Originally Posted by Pajamaman

No, 10" in landscape is optimum to read full pdf for me. 7.8 is doable.

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Originally Posted by ottischwenk

Do the same with 7.8 and hold the device at a distance of 76% - then there is no difference.
And that can be proven physically.

For most people, their comfortable reading distance (the Harmon distance) is 30 to 36 cm so holding their 7.8" device between 23.4 and 28.1 cm away is not going to be as comfortable.

For me, my reading glasses are such that when my eyes are relaxed (for normal vision, that would be focused at infinity), the actual focal distance is 34.3cm. Sadly, moving what I am reading to 26.75cm means that my eyes are no longer relaxed and focusing on the page takes effort.

So there is a difference and one that can lead eyestrain, headaches, etc.

See presbyopia.

ottischwenk · 06-11-2021, 05:47 PM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

For most people, their comfortable reading distance (the Harmon distance) is 30 to 36 cm so holding their 7.8" device between 23.4 and 28.1 cm away is not going to be as comfortable.

For me, my reading glasses are such that when my eyes are relaxed (for normal vision, that would be focused at infinity), the actual focal distance is 34.3cm. Sadly, moving what I am reading to 26.75cm means that my eyes are no longer relaxed and focusing on the page takes effort.

So there is a difference and one that can lead eyestrain, headaches, etc.

I don't know how it is for most people, but my ~ 8 inch devices distance is about 40 cm, and 10, 3 I use as piano notes among other things - 13.3 inches I use even further away.
10, 3 inches at 40 cm distance is uncomfortable for me.
6 inches I use at~ 30 cm distance.
And wherever I see people reading on electronic devices, I see - as I do - a reading distance of about twice the screen diagonal.

And about your eyes: a distance setting to infinity does not fit the viewing distance of 34.3 cm from 2 different directions (distance of the two eyes) - some factor is strained excessively.

06-11-2021, 11:51 AM	#91
jmmcg9 Zealot Posts: 123 Karma: 6420516 Join Date: Feb 2007 Location: Austin, TX Device: Oasis 2, iPad Pro (12.9”), iPhone 11 Pro Max, iPad Mini 5, Forma	Bigger screen! My eyes aren’t getting any better. Hopefully it will make PDFs readable (I currently only view PDFs on iPad). I also like to highlight and annotate notes as I read for technical books. I rarely review my notes, but I think the process helps me absorb the material. The notebook feature combined with the lag of the stylus are definitely a step below the iPad with Apple Pencil, but I can see myself using it on occasions when my iPad isn’t around. I am not purchasing for this feature. Last edited by jmmcg9; 06-11-2021 at 11:57 AM.

06-11-2021, 12:29 PM	#92
Prestidigitweeze Fledgling Demagogue Posts: 2,384 Karma: 31132263 Join Date: Feb 2011 Location: White Plains Device: Clara HD; Oasis 2; Aura HD; iPad Air; PRS-350; Galaxy S7.	It's interesting that so many people are enamored of larger screens now; perhaps you live in manses with vast views. I inhabit an 800-square-foot condo and my music studio is a miniature of what it once was, so my device habits follow suit. If eink screens were more fluid and adapted better to motion, perhaps I'd be fiending to manipulate a PDF of a large image on an Elipsa. But I've pared down my life deliberately and have been savoring smaller screens more than ever -- particularly still ones. It's possible I'll get an Elipsa if it there's a fire sale someday, but I might have to move first and perhaps get a long banquet table -- the sort where Powell and Loy used to side-face each other while pretending to be hung over and baffled by their newspaper sections over twelve-course breakfasts. We'll see. It will probably be another two years before I think about selling and moving. Last edited by Prestidigitweeze; 06-12-2021 at 04:55 AM.

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06-11-2021, 01:17 PM	#93
Pajamaman Wizard Posts: 2,861 Karma: 10700629 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Canada Device: Onyx Nova	Yes, 10" is enormous. I recommend you don't get one unless you own an aircraft hangar or a large warehouse. I use a 7.8 and it's still a squeeze in my palatial mansion.

06-11-2021, 01:19 PM	#94
Pajamaman Wizard Posts: 2,861 Karma: 10700629 Join Date: May 2016 Location: Canada Device: Onyx Nova	Personally I think 10" is too large to hold for casual reading. It's only useful for pdf. 7.8 is the sweet spot.