Can you read complete books on an LCD screens? - Page 3

ottischwenk · 05-06-2021, 08:40 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Please don't vote no because you prefer to read on eInk. Only vote no if you cannot actually finish a novel on a device with an LCD screen.

But there it says in addition

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without significant discomfort

And LCD is so inconvenient for me that I'm happy to do without it.

ottischwenk · 05-06-2021, 08:51 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

I would guess that many (probably the majority) of eink users who read in the evening or night, have the front light on.

So why is it necessary to tell LCD readers to turn down the backlight, but not necessary to tell eink readers to down the light.

The difference is in transmitted light versus reflected light.
In the first case, you look directly into the light source, but not in the second case.
It is a completely different light quality.

pwalker8 · 05-06-2021, 08:53 AM

Yes. I tend to go back and forth between reading on an iPad and reading on a Kobo. I'm short sighted but had lasik about 20+ years ago and still don't need glasses. I need reading glasses if the print is small but can read most things fine without them. I don't tend to like bright lights.

DiapDealer · 05-06-2021, 09:07 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

So why is it necessary to tell LCD readers to turn down the backlight, but not necessary to tell eink readers to down the light.

If my previous post didn't answer that question for you (namely my reference to comparing apples to oranges), I'm afraid I don't anything further to contribute.

4691mls · 05-06-2021, 10:19 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

I hate to project, but I will.

I would guess that many (probably the majority) of eink users who read in the evening or night, have the front light on.

So why is it necessary to tell LCD readers to turn down the backlight, but not necessary to tell eink readers to down the light.

Because apparently we are so stupid it would never have occurred to us to try adjusting the brightness on a phone?

Paperbackstash · 05-06-2021, 10:27 AM

I can read e-ink fine but not LCD long. Phones are way too small and I would find that incredibly annoying. I can read on my Kindle Fire indoors and in certain settings, but too much of it will give me eye strain and a headache. I can't use it outside or in certain lights, though. I can never read on a computer for a book, I can't focus and find it annoying.

John F · 05-06-2021, 10:39 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

If my previous post didn't answer that question for you (namely my reference to comparing apples to oranges), I'm afraid I don't anything further to contribute.

Your previous post didn't answer the question. I don't have anything else to contribute either (And I'm not afraid).

JSWolf · 05-06-2021, 10:54 AM

Some do complain that LCD is too bright. So the possible solution is to turn down the brightness. Nobody is calling anyone stupid.

If I had given my Dad an iPad and he found it too bright, he would no have known how to turn the brightness down.

LucyOne · 05-06-2021, 11:05 AM

I used to do that on my first Android tablet which I got 10 years ago in 2011. It wasn't a very good device and the screen wasn't that bright, so regarding the reading experience, it was actually really good with Moon+ Reader.
Two years later, I got my first ereader and from then on I only read on LCD screens when I need the scrolling feature. This happens very seldom, though. Nothing beats e-ink screens with warm light.

DiapDealer · 05-06-2021, 11:08 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

Your previous post didn't answer the question. I don't have anything else to contribute either (And I'm not afraid).

Yes it did. Pretending otherwise is unproductive. Enjoy your unproductiveness.

kandwo · 05-06-2021, 11:12 AM

I have perfect eyesight, but some sort of sensitivity to light. I always have my LCD monitors on the lowest setting (unless for some reason I'm sitting somewhere where the sun shines directly onto the screen), and almost always walk around in sunglasses outside. At night I use redshift to wipe out the blue light on my computer and a similar app for my phone.

I strongly prefer physical books, and then e-ink, for reading. I find it hard to concentrate on LCD screens for long periods of time.

John F · 05-06-2021, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Yes it did. Pretending otherwise is unproductive. Enjoy your unproductiveness.

No it didn't. Maybe you think it did for you. But it didn't for me. I thought you said you didn't have anything else to say.

I don't consider it an "Apple to oranges" comparison. They both have lights. There are comparable sizes now. I could see discomfort due to weight or form factor, but there seems to be an abundance of reports of eye fatigue from LCD. Is it refresh rates? Light level? ...

astrangerhere · 05-06-2021, 11:42 AM

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Originally Posted by John F

I don't consider it an "Apple to oranges" comparison. They both have lights. There are comparable sizes now. I could see discomfort due to weight or form factor, but there seems to be an abundance of reports of eye fatigue from LCD. Is it refresh rates? Light level? ...

Apples to Oranges

Front Light vs. Back Light: Why Front Lights Are Eye-friendly

The direction the light is coming from, the type of light and the screen are all significant factors. The above article is from an e-ink vendor (BOOX), but does not make the points any less valid.

See Also
LCD vs. e-ink: The eyestrain debate
Reading on LCD vs e-Ink displays: effects on fatigue and visual strain

ilovejedd · 05-06-2021, 11:47 AM

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Originally Posted by Pajamaman

Some people can read complete books on LCD, others cannot and often prefer e-ink. However, I wonder what is the proportion.

1. eye-sight (short sighted, long sighted, for example)
2. Sensitivity to light. I have noticed that people who can read whole books on LCD don't mind, or even need a very bright light on e-ink. Can you tolerate a bright screen light in the dark, or must it be very dim?

I can read whole books on LCD most of the time. I usually read on the iPad because it's just so much easier to wirelessly load non-Kindle store content to it (e.g. DRM-free ebooks on Calibre OPDS server, etc).

When I get a migraine attack though, I can still read paper and e-ink but LCDs seem to aggravate the migraine.

1. Near sighted.
2. Needs to be very dim.

peaceridge · 05-06-2021, 11:49 AM

I voted yes. Full time glasses wearer, near sighted. I find that non lcd screens aren't bright enough, the text is too dim.

View Poll Results: Can you read a whole book on LCD?
Yes, I can read a whole book on LCD without significant discomfort.	78	56.12%
No, I can't read a whole book on LCD without significant discomfort.	61	43.88%
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05-06-2021, 08:53 AM	#33
pwalker8 Grand Sorcerer Posts: 7,196 Karma: 70314280 Join Date: Dec 2006 Location: Atlanta, GA Device: iPad Pro, iPad mini, Kobo Aura, Amazon paperwhite, Sony PRS-T2	Yes. I tend to go back and forth between reading on an iPad and reading on a Kobo. I'm short sighted but had lasik about 20+ years ago and still don't need glasses. I need reading glasses if the print is small but can read most things fine without them. I don't tend to like bright lights.

05-06-2021, 10:27 AM	#36
Paperbackstash Wizard Posts: 1,656 Karma: 20102554 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Central Florida Device: Oasis 3, PW 3 & 5, Fire HD 8 & 10	I can read e-ink fine but not LCD long. Phones are way too small and I would find that incredibly annoying. I can read on my Kindle Fire indoors and in certain settings, but too much of it will give me eye strain and a headache. I can't use it outside or in certain lights, though. I can never read on a computer for a book, I can't focus and find it annoying.

05-06-2021, 10:54 AM	#38
JSWolf Resident Curmudgeon Posts: 79,763 Karma: 145864619 Join Date: Nov 2006 Location: Roslindale, Massachusetts Device: Kobo Libra 2, Kobo Aura H2O, PRS-650, PRS-T1, nook STR, PW3	Some do complain that LCD is too bright. So the possible solution is to turn down the brightness. Nobody is calling anyone stupid. If I had given my Dad an iPad and he found it too bright, he would no have known how to turn the brightness down.

05-06-2021, 11:05 AM	#39
LucyOne Librocubicularist Posts: 617 Karma: 11908623 Join Date: Dec 2013 Location: Germany Device: PocketBook InkPad 3 & Touch HD 3, Kobo Clara HD, Kindle Paperwhite 5	I used to do that on my first Android tablet which I got 10 years ago in 2011. It wasn't a very good device and the screen wasn't that bright, so regarding the reading experience, it was actually really good with Moon+ Reader. Two years later, I got my first ereader and from then on I only read on LCD screens when I need the scrolling feature. This happens very seldom, though. Nothing beats e-ink screens with warm light.

05-06-2021, 11:12 AM	#41
kandwo Evangelist Posts: 466 Karma: 11708254 Join Date: Dec 2020 Device: Kindle Paperwhite 3	I have perfect eyesight, but some sort of sensitivity to light. I always have my LCD monitors on the lowest setting (unless for some reason I'm sitting somewhere where the sun shines directly onto the screen), and almost always walk around in sunglasses outside. At night I use redshift to wipe out the blue light on my computer and a similar app for my phone. I strongly prefer physical books, and then e-ink, for reading. I find it hard to concentrate on LCD screens for long periods of time.

05-06-2021, 11:49 AM	#45
peaceridge Wizard Posts: 1,019 Karma: 4407864 Join Date: Feb 2009 Location: North Carolina Device: Kobo Aura1, Nexus7.2, Galaxy Tab A 8.4, Ipad Air & Mini 6	I voted yes. Full time glasses wearer, near sighted. I find that non lcd screens aren't bright enough, the text is too dim.