What's with the Paranoia?

[John F]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

... Also, even if you don't trust the company, you can still register and keep the WiFi off in order to activate all the features.

Do Kobos and Kindles still support Wiki? Wiki usually requires WiFi. And browsers require WiFi usually.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by harriska2

Well that’s some black and white thinking. What if you simply don’t register because it really gains you nothing. No need to synchronize between devices, download books using the device, see extra advertisements, or be put on an upgrade path you don’t want. I use Apple books on other devices, download purchased books on my PC, side-load via Calibre, don’t see ads, and hate Amazon upgrades making the device less user friendly.

I don’t understand why people think they know what others like or need better than the person him/herself.

Given your usage, I would think registering and keeping WiFi off would do. But if you don't like the firmware updates, why buy a Kindle when you can get better Readers such as Kobo or Pocketbook?

[b0rsuk]

Originally Posted by harriska2

I don’t understand why people think they know what others like or need better than the person him/herself.

It's called gaslighting and it's a common behavior among narcissists, especially clinical cases. Call someone paranoid,attack his perception of reality, brand him as a lunatic. If you succeed, the person starts doubting everything around him and becomes very pliable. Deny and invalidate his right to have an opinion and live by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FISZshe9L3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVBdWSPXyRw

Narcissists thrive in social media, because it's a big source of attention. Watch out.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by b0rsuk

It's called gaslighting and it's a common behavior among narcissists, especially clinical cases. Call someone paranoid,attack his perception of reality, brand him as a lunatic. If you succeed, the person starts doubting everything around him and becomes very pliable. Deny and invalidate his right to have an opinion and live by it.

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=FISZshe9L3s

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=bVBdWSPXyRw

Narcissists thrive in social media, because it's a big source of attention. Watch out.

Do you have a different term to use other then paranoid?

[ownedbycats]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Do you have a different term to use other then paranoid?

Cautious.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by ownedbycats

Cautious.

What's there to be afraid/cautious/paranoid about? The solution is to buy a Reader from a company you trust enough to register.

[PeterT]

Jon; understand that everyone is different. it makes no difference how many times you question someones caution it won't change their mind.

[b0rsuk]

Sometimes it even makes people more entrenched. They get the kick out of resisting you.

[JSWolf]

I'm thinking the reason my last question wasn't answered is due to empressement after reading the question and thinking "Oh shite! I bought the wrong Reader."

[John F]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I'm thinking the reason my last question wasn't answered is due to empressement after reading the question and thinking "Oh shite! I bought the wrong Reader."

I'm thinking if you went back and read many of the posts in this thread 9and other threads), you would understand that not everyone has the same opinion as you.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by John F

I'm thinking if you went back and read many of the posts in this thread 9and other threads), you would understand that not everyone has the same opinion as you.

I would not buy a Reader I was not going to register because I didn't trust the company who's name is on it.

I know not everyone has the same opinions I do. But I see buying say a Kindle and not registering as illogical.

[twowheels]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

I would not buy a Reader I was not going to register because I didn't trust the company who's name is on it.

I agree, if you don't trust the company, don't buy their product.

If you don't trust the company, how do you know that they're not auto-connecting to open wifi connections and uploading everything w/o any UI notification?

[JSWolf]

One reason to register a Kindle is that if you buy eBooks form Amazon, you can use the download feature to download your eBooks and remove the DRM. You cannot do that if you are not registered.

[fabricalado]

Originally Posted by b0rsuk

Sometimes it even makes people more entrenched. They get the kick out of resisting you.

That'd be the backfire effect.

And tbh, aside from his reluctance to consider other POVs as valid, I think JSWolf raises some valid questions.

But I guess/hope he's just trying to be provocative.

[fabricalado]

Originally Posted by twowheels

I agree, if you don't trust the company, don't buy their product.

I don't see how one excludes the other. Like it's been said here, you don't buy a cellphone plan because you consider the company totally reliable; in most cases, we do this on a daily basis simply because the majority of us do not read the terms of service. Heck, if you install a simple app that's the same logic, and I don't think I've ever read most of the ToS for my apps.

Also, you can still buy an ereader without having checked the company's background simply because
a)other people inspired/urged you to do it
b)you want to read ebooks.

We don't always behave rationally, but we can come up with reasons after the fact. Doesn't change the fact that trust in the company may not be the main reason you decide to get a product.