What's with the Paranoia?

[Difflugia]

Originally Posted by hildea

I don't see which features I'm missing.

Kindles in particular have (or had, I haven't used mine in a few years) a way to arrange books into user-defined categories. The categories were synced with your account, so you had to register your Kindle for it to work.

[haertig]

I had no idea so many here are survey takers. My apologies if you were offended. My comments are rooted in the recent results of surveys (i.e., "political polls"). They were all so horribly wrong over the last couple of years. If the survey process comes up with totally bogus results as it has been doing recently, then I do indeed think that the process is dumb. I should have directed my comments at the process, not the people who participate in that process.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Difflugia

Kindles in particular have (or had, I haven't used mine in a few years) a way to arrange books into user-defined categories. The categories were synced with your account, so you had to register your Kindle for it to work.

I don't know what happens when you don't register a Kobo or if you can get away without registering. When I got my H2O six years ago, I registered it.

[Sirtel]

Originally Posted by haertig

I had no idea so many here are survey takers. My apologies if you were offended. My comments are rooted in the recent results of surveys (i.e., "political polls"). They were all so horribly wrong over the last couple of years. If the survey process comes up with totally bogus results as it has been doing recently, then I do indeed think that the process is dumb. I should have directed my comments at the process, not the people who participate in that process.

Well, political polls are almost always wrong. No idea why. There doesn't seem to be any point to doing them at all, imho.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Sirtel

Well, political polls are almost always wrong. No idea why. There doesn't seem to be any point to doing them at all, imho.

They were not wrong about Biden being the winner.

[Thasaidon]

Originally Posted by DNSB

Self appointed or self anointed?

As for standing up to scrutiny? I tend to avoid piracy due to my odd personal belief that authors and other creatives deserve to be able have the chance to make a living and, hopefully, keep producing more creations for me to read or otherwise enjoy.

Both self anointed and self appointed. I like it

Unfortunately both are true.

I was also making a general point about whether the people concerned lives would stand up to their kind of scrutiny. Not specifically speaking about copyright infringement.

While not a christian I agree with Matthew 7:1 and try to follow it. I fail miserably of course.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by Thasaidon

While not a christian I agree with Matthew 7:1 and try to follow it. I fail miserably of course.

But casting the first stone is ever so much more fun...

[Ripplinger]

I've registered both my Kindle and all Kobo readers with a legit emails. It's no different than registering to purchase books at any site to me. My only fear has been losing the ereader and having anyone then be able to buy 100s of books on my account. I'm too lazy to use a PIN to lock a reader, as often as I pick it up to read on and off all day.

So my method for my own peace of mind: the Kindle isn't used and stays home (I bought it just on a super sale to see how it is), so there's no concern about losing it/having it stolen. The Kobo was registered with a real email, but there's no payment or purchasing on the account at all other than their freebies, so again, while I'd hate to lose it, no one can make charges on the account. I prefer keeping wifi off anyway so I can choose which firmware and patches I use, but lately I've been purchasing the majority of books from Amazon.

I'm really not concerned about either company tracking what I buy or what I read or how often or whatever they want to know... every store you purchase from does that, there's no way to get around it unless you give up purchasing online. My only concern was losing a reader and having someone charge books on it.

[Ghitulescu]

What are the benefits of "registering"?
And are those benefits balancing the disadvantages?

Everyone should decide, and behave accordingly.
It's not paranoia. It's a facts-based decision.

Those accusing others of paranoia don't live either in a house made of transparent glass house, since they have "nothing to hide".

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by Ghitulescu

What are the benefits of "registering"?
And are those benefits balancing the disadvantages?

Everyone should decide, and behave accordingly.
It's not paranoia. It's a facts-based decision.

Those accusing others of paranoia don't live either in a house made of transparent glass house, since they have "nothing to hide".

You have to register a Kobo in order to use it. A Kindle can be used unregistered, but you do lose some features.

There is no disadvantage to registering. I have a Kindle PW3 and a Kobo Aura H2O that have been registered for about six years for the Kobo and about 4 years for Kindle. Not once have I had a single problem. I do keep WiFi off most of the time. The Kindle originally wasn't mine, but it was registered and again no problems at all. I know of other Readers that are registered with no problems at all.

Can you please show us examples of problems with having a Reader properly registered?

[haertig]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Can you please show us examples of problems with having a Reader properly registered?

You don't seem to understand (or more likely, you are pretending that you don't understand). The collection of data and loss of privacy are what people are talking about. We cannot "show you examples" of that. I highly doubt that Amazon will open up their databases and allow us to query them and post examples of what data has been collected on each of us. Chances are, it's a lot more than any of us imagined in our worst nightmare.

We don't need to post examples to prove this is happening. Because Amazon says they're going to do this spying and collect this data right there in their user agreement. Read it. There's your "example", if you really must have one.

You do not consider this a problem. But others do.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by haertig

You don't seem to understand (or more likely, you are pretending that you don't understand). The collection of data and loss of privacy are what people are talking about. We cannot "show you examples" of that. I highly doubt that Amazon will open up their databases and allow us to query them and post examples of what data has been collected on each of us. Chances are, it's a lot more than any of us imagined in our worst nightmare.

We don't need to post examples to prove this is happening. Because Amazon says they're going to do this spying and collect this data right there in their user agreement. Read it. There's your "example", if you really must have one.

You do not consider this a problem. But others do.

What problem is it? What happens to you because of this? If you don't have an answer, then it's akin to hypochondria.

[gbm]

Originally Posted by haertig

You don't seem to understand (or more likely, you are pretending that you don't understand). The collection of data and loss of privacy are what people are talking about. We cannot "show you examples" of that. I highly doubt that Amazon will open up their databases and allow us to query them and post examples of what data has been collected on each of us. Chances are, it's a lot more than any of us imagined in our worst nightmare.

We don't need to post examples to prove this is happening. Because Amazon says they're going to do this spying and collect this data right there in their user agreement. Read it. There's your "example", if you really must have one.

You do not consider this a problem. But others do.

Yes you can request a download of your data from Amazon.

https://www.amazon.com/gp/help/custo...NBVNN2RHXD5BUW

Here is some examples of what you receive:

• Devices.Kindle.ReadingActions
• Devices.Kindle.ReadingSessions
• Devices.Registration--yes every time you register K4PC amazon keeps a record.
• Digital.Content.Ownership
• Digital.Content.Whispersync
• Digital.SeriesContent.Relation_1
• Digital.SeriesContent.Relation_2

bernie

[haertig]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

What problem is it? What happens to you because of this? If you don't have an answer, then it's akin to hypochondria.

You don't seem to comprehend that others think differently than you do.

The difference in our thinking about the situation we are now discussing boils down to proactive vs. reactive. You appear to want to wait until after you've had a problem, and then deal with it. You are (appear to be) reactive.

I prefer to try and predict a potential problem, and avoid it before it ever happens. I am proactive.

Your stress comes from dealing with problems (that have already occurred), my stress comes from worrying about them (in advance). In the end, you rarely worry, and I rarely have problems. Who is right? Neither. We just think differently.

[Thasaidon]

Originally Posted by DNSB

But casting the first stone is ever so much more fun...

Sure is,

It also tends to obfusticate the throwers own trznsgressions.