Policy Language to use on website to sell my eBook - Page 2

kayvon · 07-17-2020, 07:02 PM

i sent you a note through your website. look forward to hearing from you. thank you.

Alyssa Miranda · 07-18-2020, 08:12 AM

Hearing that the craft of weaving a Persian rug is on the verge of extinction led me to refresh my memory on ancient Persia, now Iran, and look it up on Wikipedia, where I found it has an astonishingly rich history, dating back some 7,000 years (its empire at one point dominated almost half the world's population at the time). Clearly it would be a loss to see the knowledge behind the crafting of a cultural icon as historic as the Persian rug disappear. However, based on the discussion here, it doesn't appear that any form of ebook would be feasible for preserving the art, leaving a print book as the only practical alternative, presumably of the coffee table variety. Even here, a single volume may not be possible, as Hitch has pointed out, and may require breaking down the single volume into as many as 5 parts. As an alternative to an arbitrary division, if this route is chosen, consider having the volumes cover a specific phase in the evolution of the craft, or time periods, if there were such. In any event, good luck with bringing the project to fruition.

-Alyssa

Alyssa Miranda · 07-18-2020, 08:22 AM

Post script: Another possibility could be geographic differences, if any.

Quoth · 07-18-2020, 10:34 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Hitch

You can't print it, Quoth. Not with POD, which uses perfect-bound. Perfect-bound has an around 800-page limitation--2"-ish. Greater than that and the binding fails. At the least, he'd be looking at 3 volumes, more likely 4-5.

I missed that aspect. Then it needs to be maybe 5 volumes. People then can buy the entire work in instalments.

But we'd agree it really needs paper?

Hitch · 07-18-2020, 10:43 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Quoth

I missed that aspect. Then it needs to be maybe 5 volumes. People then can buy the entire work in instalments.

But we'd agree it really needs paper?

I feel it needs a) paper, in 5 volumes and b) digital volumes as well.

That's my humble opinion and I'm stickin' to it. But, the OP has reached out to me away from MR, so....who knows? Maybe I'll change my mind.

Hitch

Hitch · 07-22-2020, 09:20 AM

FYI, for those who come along later, the OP is currently investigating simply using Gumroad for a 5-part download (or more parts). If you ever buy packages on sites like MightyDeals, Creative Market, etc., it's commonplace for them to provide mulitple links for a single "product" download, so after some discussion, this seems like the best way forward for him.

I've asked him to update here in the future when he knows more.

Hitch

kayvon · 07-31-2020, 10:40 AM

Hello. i am adding this note to close the loop on this discussion. after consulting with Hitch (Thank you for your generosity) i've come to the conclusion that what i have is not really an ebook. it is a book which is in an electronic format. the size and the format does not lend itself to an ereader. (fixed layout pdf, 2000 pages 350-400 megs.) i've decided to break up the 2000 pages into three different versions, here are the advantages:
1) it will make the size much more manageable for users
2) i am actually allowing users to buy parts that they may be really interested in which costs less or if they want it all, they'll pay more.

i still have not figured out how to discourage the free distribution of the pdf for those who tend to take liberties, if you know what i mean.
Many thanks to those who take the time to help others in need such as myself.

Quoth · 07-31-2020, 11:13 AM

You can't stop pirates. DRM doesn't work.
Industrial pirates even chop off the spine of a paper book and bulk feed with autosheet feed and sometimes add an un-proofed OCR layer.

For digital content it's possible to make a copy without DRM without removing DRM! Dark room, big screen, HD camera and timer to auto increment page and take photo. Even been done with touch screens and lego actuator. HD movies are even simpler. All streaming is easily copied.

DRM is more about Corporate ego and controlling customers (forcing multiple format purchases etc). It has no measurable impact on piracy.

gmw · 07-31-2020, 10:09 PM

kayvon, thanks for the update. It sounds like an interesting project. Learning enough about PDF to use it effectively can be hard, but it is very good at what it does once you do learn. I wouldn't sweat the copy thing too much. A bit of emotional blackmail in the introduction won't hurt

("thank you for supporting me" sort of thing). And some philosophical acceptance can also be good: If you are popular enough for people to share copies then you will have done well. Beyond that, do your own research about DRM, discuss it with people you have reason to trust, and make your own choices as best fits your situation - trying to discuss it here will only start yet another extended argument at the extremes that have nothing to do with your project and your situation.

07-31-2020, 10:40 AM	#22
kayvon Member Posts: 20 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2019 Device: none	Final resolution Hello. i am adding this note to close the loop on this discussion. after consulting with Hitch (Thank you for your generosity) i've come to the conclusion that what i have is not really an ebook. it is a book which is in an electronic format. the size and the format does not lend itself to an ereader. (fixed layout pdf, 2000 pages 350-400 megs.) i've decided to break up the 2000 pages into three different versions, here are the advantages: 1) it will make the size much more manageable for users 2) i am actually allowing users to buy parts that they may be really interested in which costs less or if they want it all, they'll pay more. i still have not figured out how to discourage the free distribution of the pdf for those who tend to take liberties, if you know what i mean. Many thanks to those who take the time to help others in need such as myself.

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07-17-2020, 07:02 PM	#16
kayvon Member Posts: 20 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jul 2019 Device: none	i sent you a note through your website. look forward to hearing from you. thank you.

07-18-2020, 08:12 AM	#17
Alyssa Miranda Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 1121282 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: New Jersey Device: Kindle and Nook	Hearing that the craft of weaving a Persian rug is on the verge of extinction led me to refresh my memory on ancient Persia, now Iran, and look it up on Wikipedia, where I found it has an astonishingly rich history, dating back some 7,000 years (its empire at one point dominated almost half the world's population at the time). Clearly it would be a loss to see the knowledge behind the crafting of a cultural icon as historic as the Persian rug disappear. However, based on the discussion here, it doesn't appear that any form of ebook would be feasible for preserving the art, leaving a print book as the only practical alternative, presumably of the coffee table variety. Even here, a single volume may not be possible, as Hitch has pointed out, and may require breaking down the single volume into as many as 5 parts. As an alternative to an arbitrary division, if this route is chosen, consider having the volumes cover a specific phase in the evolution of the craft, or time periods, if there were such. In any event, good luck with bringing the project to fruition. -Alyssa

07-18-2020, 08:22 AM	#18
Alyssa Miranda Connoisseur Posts: 59 Karma: 1121282 Join Date: Jun 2013 Location: New Jersey Device: Kindle and Nook	Post script: Another possibility could be geographic differences, if any.

07-22-2020, 09:20 AM	#21
Hitch Bookmaker & Cat Slave Posts: 11,503 Karma: 158448243 Join Date: Apr 2010 Location: Phoenix, AZ Device: K2, iPad, KFire, PPW, Voyage, NookColor. 2 Droid, Oasis, Boox Note2	FYI, for those who come along later, the OP is currently investigating simply using Gumroad for a 5-part download (or more parts). If you ever buy packages on sites like MightyDeals, Creative Market, etc., it's commonplace for them to provide mulitple links for a single "product" download, so after some discussion, this seems like the best way forward for him. I've asked him to update here in the future when he knows more. Hitch

07-31-2020, 11:13 AM	#23
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,075 Karma: 105211945 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	You can't stop pirates. DRM doesn't work. Industrial pirates even chop off the spine of a paper book and bulk feed with autosheet feed and sometimes add an un-proofed OCR layer. For digital content it's possible to make a copy without DRM without removing DRM! Dark room, big screen, HD camera and timer to auto increment page and take photo. Even been done with touch screens and lego actuator. HD movies are even simpler. All streaming is easily copied. DRM is more about Corporate ego and controlling customers (forcing multiple format purchases etc). It has no measurable impact on piracy.

07-31-2020, 10:09 PM	#24
gmw cacoethes scribendi Posts: 5,818 Karma: 137770742 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650	kayvon, thanks for the update. It sounds like an interesting project. Learning enough about PDF to use it effectively can be hard, but it is very good at what it does once you do learn. I wouldn't sweat the copy thing too much. A bit of emotional blackmail in the introduction won't hurt ("thank you for supporting me" sort of thing). And some philosophical acceptance can also be good: If you are popular enough for people to share copies then you will have done well. Beyond that, do your own research about DRM, discuss it with people you have reason to trust, and make your own choices as best fits your situation - trying to discuss it here will only start yet another extended argument at the extremes that have nothing to do with your project and your situation.