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Old 07-09-2020, 04:03 PM   #61
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Your inability to provide any evidence to back your belief is a problem you have with those who’ve got a different opinion.
take a look at post 36. i'm not the only one who believes ereaders are disposable products.

you really need to learn that people are allowed to have a different/opposing opinion to you without treating them as if your in a courtroom.

the evidence you seem to be demanding is the non-replaceable glued in battery inside the ereader. that's why i believe it's the manufacturers decision/choice to make ereaders disposable.

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Old 07-09-2020, 04:24 PM   #62
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Why not get an android tablet, install a big SD card, and install the lowest rated browser you can find?

AA Batteries - nope (You might be able to rig up an AA battery pack though)
Type by voice - yep
color eink* - yep provided the base ebook has color coding in it *obviously not eink though
100gb storage - you could get 1TB of storage if you wanted
ability to write on the screen - yep
still clunky web browser - I'm sure there's an absolutely terrible browser you can find the .apk for and toss it on as the default (and maybe only?) browser
because my resolve is weak. i'll install a clunky browser one day and install a normal one when I want to surf. that's why i'm happy with my kobo, and doing much much more reading than ever.
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Old 07-09-2020, 04:34 PM   #63
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take a look at post 36. i'm not the only one who believes ereaders are disposable products.

you really need to learn that people are allowed to have a different/opposing opinion to you without treating them as if your in a courtroom.

the evidence you seem to be demanding is the non-replaceable glued in battery inside the ereader. that's why i believe it's the manufacturers decision/choice to make ereaders disposable.

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Show me where I said you were the only one. I’ve said that you’re presenting an idea and belief. Because you are.

You’re posting in a public forum the other members are allowed to ask for details on anything you post. You are of course free to either post those details or not. But what’s the point of initiating a topic if you’re not going to elaborate if asked. Also if you don’t want to be in a conversation simply don’t reply, no one is forcing you to either read nor reply to anything here.

So your whole belief is based solely on that the battery is glued in dismissing any and all other possible reasons behind that decision. That’s fair. I disagree for the reasons I’ve stated.
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Old 07-09-2020, 04:46 PM   #64
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Show me where I said you were the only one. I’ve said that you’re presenting an idea and belief. Because you are.

You’re posting in a public forum the other members are allowed to ask for details on anything you post. You are of course free to either post those details or not. But what’s the point of initiating a topic if you’re not going to elaborate if asked. Also if you don’t want to be in a conversation simply don’t reply, no one is forcing you to either read nor reply to anything here.

So your whole belief is based solely on that the battery is glued in dismissing any and all other possible reasons behind that decision. That’s fair. I disagree for the reasons I’ve stated.
agreed. as you say that's fair.

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Old 07-09-2020, 04:49 PM   #65
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Another one of my threads gets a life of its own. lol
once again my sincere apologies for my part in the thread going off of it's intended discussion.

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Old 07-09-2020, 05:15 PM   #66
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As you’re missing the point let me outline it for you very simply.

No one is debating that the battery is glued in.
No one is debating that this was a choice made.

What was being debated was that this was some plot by the companies selling these devices to force them into upgrading needlessly.
It is a plot to get people to upgrade. Apple started this by coming out with t he iPhone that didn't have a user replaceable battery. Apple also EOLs devices that don't need to be EOLed because they can run the current firmware they are not allowed to install. Kobo is different because they are supporting more Readers then any other company. Amazon EOLed the PW3 when they came out with 5.12.5.

Before Apple and the iPhone, cell phones had replaceable batteries. Other companies saw this as "If we also have no user replaceable battery", we'll get more sales when people replace their phones when the battery needs to be replaced".
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Old 07-09-2020, 05:57 PM   #67
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No one is "forced" to upgrade a device. So what if the batteries aren't easily replaced? Plenty of users who want to do so usually manage.

We have several older devices/iPhones. They work just fine. An iPhone 6 from 2014, a 7+ from 2016, and we just gave a working 2nd gen Paperwhite to one of our grandsons.

Both of the iPhones function at about 92% of battery life compared to when they were new. The 6 is stuck at iOS 12 something, but that as of yet has not been a problem. It runs all the needed apps, and works just fine.

Many users do upgrade their devices every two years, but plenty of us don't. It get tiresome to hear how we are forced to upgrade, when it's just not true.

Shoot, my old iPhone 4s still works, and the battery on it lasts 5-6 hours for games the kids like to play. And it's almost 9 years old.
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Old 07-09-2020, 06:14 PM   #68
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Something I think people need to check are the international regulations concerning shipping of rechargable batteries and the differences for removable / non removable batteries
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It is a plot to get people to upgrade. Apple started this by coming out with t he iPhone that didn't have a user replaceable battery. Apple also EOLs devices that don't need to be EOLed because they can run the current firmware they are not allowed to install. Kobo is different because they are supporting more Readers then any other company. Amazon EOLed the PW3 when they came out with 5.12.5.

Before Apple and the iPhone, cell phones had replaceable batteries. Other companies saw this as "If we also have no user replaceable battery", we'll get more sales when people replace their phones when the battery needs to be replaced".
Same things apply to Apple as they do to Kobo, even more so. It costs them $ to produce new iPhones (again argue the value of the new versus old model it's irrelevant) yet they put out a new model every year (sometimes more than one model). If they're looking at forcing, as you claim, customers to upgrade when the battery dies why would they bother putting a new model out so frequently. They certainly don't need to if they're planing on everyone being pushed in at approximately the same time. Spend that time putting together a single new product and release it every 3-5 years instead. They'll still get new adapters in the time between, possibly with a decline in the 6 months or so leading to the new one (they see this already more frequently) and they'd be able to better judge their sales because up to half the install base would have batteries that were dead or near to it.

Y'all keep saying "they're doing it to force people to buy a new reader/product every time their battery dies".

Yet none of the folks who are claiming the battery is glued in to force customers into buying a new product have addressed the issue of these companies spending on new products at a more frequent rate than the average battery will die.

And again, even when a customer buys a new product, there's nothing forcing them to stay in the same ecosystem. You kick them enough with crap batteries and they're going to look at the competition.
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I'm sorry I mentioned these issues. I thought all the points discussed here in the last day or two about batteries here were too obvious to discuss.

My mistake. I should have known better, in that some people will argue about about anything no matter how obvious it is.
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I'm sorry I mentioned these issues. I thought all the points discussed here in the last day or two about batteries here were too obvious to discuss.

My mistake. I should have known better, in that some people will argue about about anything no matter how obvious it is.
No they won't! I refuse to believe you unless you provide strong evidence!!!11!

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I'm sorry I mentioned these issues. I thought all the points discussed here in the last day or two about batteries here were too obvious to discuss.

My mistake. I should have known better, in that some people will argue about about anything no matter how obvious it is.
Arguing? There is no need to be so precious and scolding. Some topics bring up strong responses from the many strong personalities on this board. But I don't see it as arguing.
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My dream kobo doesn't need to include rechargeable batteries. I have plenty of my own Eneloop and AmazonBasics cells.
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My dream device uses a supercap and a solar cell and runs all night after a few hours reading in bright sun.
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