Download Limits

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Because that's what Amazon calls it, or at least that's what they called it the last time I ran into it. It's not a simultaneous limit. It's a limit on the number of devices you can download to. You can't simply delete it from a device, then download it to another device. You have to delete the first device from your device list in amazon before you can download it onto another device.

So many things just flat-out incorrect in your post. Especially that last sentence.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

So many things just flat-out incorrect in your post. Especially that last sentence.

That's my experience. Just because you choose to assert that it's not true, so there doesn't change that. You have frequently said that the one true way is to do as you do, download the book you are reading, read it, delete it and never look at it again, so I fail to see if that is your approach, that you would have ever run into it. That means you are working from your assumptions of how it works.

I, on the other hand, download all my books onto each device that I own. I download all my kindle books in my kindle app on my iPads. I download all my kindle books on my kindle devices. I download all my books onto my desktop computer and load them into Calibre, removing the DRM and converting them to epub. I then download them into Calibre Companion on each of my iPads and read them in Marvin. I also download a selection of them into my Kobo reader.

I've got two iPads that I actively use at any one time, an iPad mini and an Ipad Pro. Over the years, I've owned a number of kindle readers, including the first model kindle, a kindle fire, a kindle paperwhite and the kindle oasis that currently stays in my car. I've owned a number of iPads during that time as well, including 3 different iPad mini's, two iPad pros an a number of regular iPads. I also use the kindle app on my iphone for reading while waiting in line. I don't download all my books there, but it is a registered device and I've had a lot of iPhones over the years.

With all those devices and given my habit of always download all my books into either the kindle device or the kindle app on the device, I run the download limit pretty much each time I set up a new device. I have around 10 books in my 2000+ books that I've purchased from Amazon that have the download restriction. I've tried simply undownloading a book from another device. I've tried removing the Amazon app from another device. The way that allows me to download the book onto my new device is to deregister one of my old devices. That is my experience.

[DiapDealer]

It's nothing to do with me and my "one true way". Your statements are false because they're false. Nothing more. Amazon DOES call it "Simultaneous Device Usage". Others not affiliated with my One True Way™ have already attested to this. Other non-One True Wayers™ have already attested that one does not have to deregister a device to reclaim a Simultaneous Device Usage.

But it's OK. Keep flogging your falsehoods as truth. I won't have to post another word for others to point out your inaccuracies.

[shalym]

To settle the "download limits" vs "simultaneous device usage" argument, here is a screenshot taken this morning from Amazon. This is from the book "On Basilisk Station" by David Webber.

Shari

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by shalym

To settle the "download limits" vs "simultaneous device usage" argument, here is a screenshot taken this morning from Amazon. This is from the book "On Basilisk Station" by David Webber.

Shari

And to settle the "You have to de-register a device in order to free up a simultaneous device usage slot" argument:

Here's an image of my Amazon Content & Devices account page showing a Hachette title that is currently on 6 devices/apps simultaneously, and can't be downloaded to another device.



I then go to the Fire10 device listed above and delete the book (NOT de-register) from that device; sync content, and refresh my Amazon Content & Devices account page and can see that it has freed up a slot:



And then I can immediately download the title to a different device/app to bring the total to six again. Which makes it full again and I'm once again unable to put it on another device (until I delete it from a device/app).



No de-registering necessary. Tried it by deleting via the device/app (both kindle devices and non-kindle devices) and the results were always the same: deleting books from devices frees up Simultaneous Device Usage slots. The only reason one would need to deregister the device/app is if you don't have access to to the device/app to remove the book from it.

Originally Posted by pwalker8

You have frequently said that the one true way is to do as you do, download the book you are reading, read it, delete it and never look at it again, so I fail to see if that is your approach, that you would have ever run into it. That means you are working from your assumptions of how it works.

Now that I have forced the issue on Simultaneous Device Usage for a title, feel free to understand that I am no longer working from any assumptions whatsoever. I am now basing my posts on "how it works."

[theducks]

Originally Posted by shalym

To settle the "download limits" vs "simultaneous device usage" argument, here is a screenshot taken this morning from Amazon. This is from the book "On Basilisk Station" by David Webber.

Shari

And that title is in the Baen Free Library (with NO restrictions)

[Tarana]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

Seriously... why do people keep referring to this as a "download limit"? I'm genuinely curious.

Terminology mistake. I agree that it is simultaneous usage. But I download it to use it. There is no limit to the number of times you can download it.

[haertig]

In these forums, there seems to be more discussions/arguments/comments on specific word usage/definitions than on the concept/intent of what is being said. Not just in this thread, but all across the forums. "Download Limit" vs. "Simultaneous Use Limit"? Come on, ... does it really matter?

It's almost like one needs to have both a dictionary and a thesaurus sitting in front of them before posting here, and it might help to get a legal opinion from the relevant court on your word choice before hitting "Post". I almost expect to take a hit for saying "Post" above, because the button I am looking at actually says "Post Quick Reply", and if I go to Advanced Mode, the button says "Submit Reply". That poor choice of words on my part might take this thread off into a three page sidetrack discussing the technical problems I created by conflating "Post" and "Submit".

[Deskisamess]

Originally Posted by Tarana

Terminology mistake. I agree that it is simultaneous usage. But I download it to use it. There is no limit to the number of times you can download it.

I've seen reviews from customers who mention a download limit, thinking it means once you have downloaded a book a certain number of times, that's it, you're done, the book can't be downloaded again.

Just the other day I saw a book review that mentioned the time "left in book and left in chapter" data that Kindle books show at the bottom left corner. This user was upset and ranting because they wouldn't be able to finish the book in the time given.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by haertig

In these forums, there seems to be more discussions/arguments/comments on specific word usage/definitions than on the concept/intent of what is being said. Not just in this thread, but all across the forums. "Download Limit" vs. "Simultaneous Use Limit"? Come on, ... does it really matter?.

Hyperbole ... much?

Besides, this thread has mostly moved beyond the semantics, anyway. It's now dealing with dispelling myths about what one has to do to get around the <whatever-the-heck-you-choose-to-call-it> Limit.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by haertig

In these forums, there seems to be more discussions/arguments/comments on specific word usage/definitions than on the concept/intent of what is being said. Not just in this thread, but all across the forums. "Download Limit" vs. "Simultaneous Use Limit"? Come on, ... does it really matter?

See below for why it matters.

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

I've seen reviews from customers who mention a download limit, thinking it means once you have downloaded a book a certain number of times, that's it, you're done, the book can't be downloaded again.

Just the other day I saw a book review that mentioned the time "left in book and left in chapter" data that Kindle books show at the bottom left corner. This user was upset and ranting because they wouldn't be able to finish the book in the time given.

[tomsem]

Originally Posted by shalym

Actually, I can easily see which devices a book is on from the manage your content and devices page.

Shari

That’s obviously because Amazon read my post and implemented it.

Thanks, I hadn’t noticed the change.

[pwalker8]

Originally Posted by DiapDealer

It's nothing to do with me and my "one true way". Your statements are false because they're false. Nothing more. Amazon DOES call it "Simultaneous Device Usage". Others not affiliated with my One True Way™ have already attested to this. Other non-One True Wayers™ have already attested that one does not have to deregister a device to reclaim a Simultaneous Device Usage.

But it's OK. Keep flogging your falsehoods as truth. I won't have to post another word for others to point out your inaccuracies.

Yes, because we all know that you have to always be right. I note that you never mentioned if you personally had ever run into it. As I said, that was my experience. Sorry it offends your sense of yourself.

[jhowell]

Originally Posted by Deskisamess

Just the other day I saw a book review that mentioned the time "left in book and left in chapter" data that Kindle books show at the bottom left corner. This user was upset and ranting because they wouldn't be able to finish the book in the time given.

That's funny!

In order to finish the book on time they will try to read faster making the estimate of time remaining go down even more quickly. Could lead to a nervous breakdown.

[DiapDealer]

Originally Posted by pwalker8

Yes, because we all know that you have to always be right. I note that you never mentioned if you personally had ever run into it. As I said, that was my experience. Sorry it offends your sense of yourself.

That's because I HADN'T run into it before today. Had you fully read my post(s), you'd have seen that I explicitly forced the issue to happen today. Did so, so that I could PROVE that deleting books from devices/apps does, in fact, relinquish a spot in the limit. Sorry if the truth offends you.