|  03-17-2009, 05:51 PM | #1 | |
| Fully Converged            Posts: 18,175 Karma: 14021202 Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Switzerland Device: Too many to count here. | 
				
				Is the Amazon Kindle infringing patents?
			  Amazon is being sued by Discovery Communications, the parent company of the Discovery Channel, for infringing one of their patents, referred to as "Electronic book security and copyright protection system." According to Ars Technica: Quote: 
 You can view the patent in question over here. The complaint is also available online, over here (PDF). Thanks to Mycropht and Treadstone71 for reporting to us the news! | |
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|  03-17-2009, 05:53 PM | #2 | 
| Uebermensch            Posts: 2,583 Karma: 1094606 Join Date: Jul 2003 Location: Italy Device: Kindle | 
			
			Oh the irony!!! You see, DRM is evil.    | 
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|  03-17-2009, 05:55 PM | #3 | 
| zeldinha zippy zeldissima            Posts: 27,827 Karma: 921169 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Paris, France Device: eb1150 & is that a nook in her pocket, or she just happy to see you? | 
			
			it is pretty ironic, isn't it.    | 
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|  03-17-2009, 05:59 PM | #4 | 
| I'm Super Kindle-icious            Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis | 
			
			Am I confused (haven't read the PDF yet) but doesn't this affect all ebook readers and retailers?
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|  03-17-2009, 06:04 PM | #5 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,190 Karma: 32370 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Anchorage, AK Device: Sony Reader PRS-505, PRS-650, PRS-T3, Pocketbook HD2 | 
			
			Does this mean they have to change their DRM scheme? Or the way they deliver ebooks?
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|  03-17-2009, 06:08 PM | #6 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch | 
			
			This will never fly. Encryption and key management is a non-patentable obvious and widely used methodology. BOb | 
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|  03-17-2009, 06:09 PM | #7 | 
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			I don't understand patents nowadays. How can something so simple and obvious and so generic be patentable?
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|  03-17-2009, 06:09 PM | #8 | 
| Member   Posts: 15 Karma: 132 Join Date: Feb 2009 Device: Sony PRS-300, iPhone 4, iPad 1, Kindle 3rd Gen., Kindle Fire, Nook STR | 
			
			When I first saw this, I noticed only the DRM stuff.  However, the Ars article goes into more depth, and the DRM issues may be secondary.  It looks like the patent also covers Whispernet and buying content from the device. Mostly, though, I did think it was an interesting coincidence that this came out so soon after the kindlepid.py issue.   | 
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|  03-17-2009, 06:21 PM | #9 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch | |
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|  03-17-2009, 06:30 PM | #10 | 
| GuteBook/Mobi2IMP Creator            Posts: 2,958 Karma: 2530691 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Toronto, Canada Device: REB1200 EBW1150 Device: T1 NSTG iLiad_v2 NC Device: Asus_TF Next1 WPDN | 
			
			This is what is shown as a typical hardware ebook reader back when the patent was first filed (in 1999, I believe). A bit on the thick side!  For comparison, I give you my ebook reader, as filed with it's patent in 1998!   Last edited by nrapallo; 03-17-2009 at 07:47 PM. Reason: took out the transparancy in the 1999_ebook_reader.gif | 
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|  03-17-2009, 06:30 PM | #11 | |
| Junior Member  Posts: 3 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: West Coast of Minnesota Device: Kindle 2 | Quote: 
 I think congress subsequently changed the rules concerning tax planning patents. So I guess a patent for a ebook delivery system is not so far fetched. | |
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|  03-17-2009, 06:32 PM | #12 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 19,832 Karma: 11844413 Join Date: Jan 2007 Location: Tampa, FL USA Device: Kindle Touch | 
			
			This is actually funny considering the whole 1-Click patent. Did that actually stand? I don't recall. BOb | 
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|  03-17-2009, 06:46 PM | #13 | 
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|  03-17-2009, 06:49 PM | #14 | 
| Literacy = Understanding            Posts: 4,833 Karma: 59674358 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The World of Books Device: Nook, Nook Tablet | 
			
			Not yet, Daffy. The heart of the patent has to do with using wireless service to deliver content, not with the ebook device per se. Right now, in the U.S. that means Amazon.
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|  03-17-2009, 06:51 PM | #15 | 
| Literacy = Understanding            Posts: 4,833 Karma: 59674358 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: The World of Books Device: Nook, Nook Tablet | 
			
			More interesting is that the patent was granted at the same time (or within a month thereof) as K1 was released. Had Amazon done its due diligence, it should have seen the pending patent applications as well as the older patents issued that are involved.
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