Calibre Converting Fine - But what if I Reset my Desktop Comuter? - Page 3

stumped · 04-04-2020, 06:18 AM

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Originally Posted by Quoth

LibreOffice has replaced Open Office.
Note for LibreOffice OR Open Office, the XLS, DOC, DOCX can be imported (and then you may need to fix Word Styles and Page formats), or you can Export using Save As, but don't edit in MS Formats, use the native ODT for writer etc.

MS Office 2003 and MS Office 2007 are maybe the best versions of it.
Unlike MS Office which is a collection of programs, some bought in and some added later, the Star Office/Open Office/LibreOffice was always really a single system with parts.

yes, there is little difference between office 2007 and later versions. MS tinkered with the UI and added some web collaboration stuff, but also decided to have strong online activation and to try to force users into annual subscriptions to web365 instead.

my office 2007 professional came from ebay and has always just worked.
I've lost count of how many time I have used it in the last 12 years

one reason people cling to office is for the Outlook program but that's an awful insecure email product by modern standards. I moved on to mailbird pro [when you could still buy a cheap lifetime subscription] and never regretted it.
my wife still stubbornly clings to outlook 2007 and setting up new hardware for her is a total pain. Stuff like the file of autocomplete entries history, which she 100% needs, is extremely well hidden. Outlook passwords have to be dug out of windows registry or found on scraps of paper...
mailbird -> new PC is just one config folder to copy, everything is in there

theducks · 04-04-2020, 07:26 AM

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Originally Posted by Jo69

Thanks May try Open Office now before I wipe my pc next week
Looked at the website to see if I could just download the programs that are the same as Word Excel & PowerPoint As they are the only programs I use

But it looks like I have to download a complete bundle

Libre / Open office is a suite, just like MS Office is.
The default install, is NOT everything in the package. If you want more or less, you just choose a custom install (or Modify if installed)

Quoth · 04-04-2020, 10:48 AM

I think Logo programming language is the main thing to 100% untick on a Custom Install of LibreOffice. Never understood why it's even included. It's even a vulnerability.

Doing Custom Installs since 1992. Can hardly remember anything were default made sense. Also SOME big names bundle in stupid stuff now.

One reason long ago for Outlook was Exchange. Then Schedules/Calendars. I think Thunderbird does both of those.

MS Office:
Excel and Word are excellent, or were till 2003. The ribbon is daft. The best two programs MS ever did and on the Mac first. I have Word 2.0a, basically the first update to first Windows version and you can see why every other WP on windows died.

Access was always an evil addition, MS SQL and then later free MS SQL engine was better. Maybe Basic MS Office didn't have Access.
Powerpoint was bought in and always horrible compared to the alternatives even in 1994.
In 1995 they deliberately added extra 32 bit APIs (not needed), especially on Win95 to stop Office 95 working on Win 3.11 or WFWG 3.11 with Win32s. So they had to issue a free upgrade to the real 32 bit OS, NT 3.5 to NT 3.51. Office 95 wasn't even completely 32 bit and Win95 was essentially Win3.11 + VFW + 32 bit drivers + Win32s with only the Direct X new (to port DOS games and millstone round MS neck till XP) and Explorer shell, which is STILL inferior to NT3.x Win3.x File Manager for file copies!

They bought in Visio and insisted it was part of Microsoft Office. Not sure if they wrote or bought MapPoint. Those were usually optional extras. They never did much with Visio and is Map Point dead? MS Money was promoted standalone and was pointless compared to either Sage or Excel depending on your needs.

Then MS Borged in Sharepoint, then Microsoft Lync / Office Communicator renamed to Skype for Business.
Exchange is was / is a mess. Originally only proprietary email protocols.

stumped · 04-04-2020, 10:52 AM

the full install of office 2007 had lots of best-forgotten items: groove, publisher, infopath, onenote...
I do still like picture manager though, it has some useful features not in the current photos app

( as at last year- my (teacher) son's school was still using publisher... i had to dig out an installer for him to use to edit pupil reports at home... )

Quoth · 04-04-2020, 11:06 AM

Oh I expunged Publisher from my mind with brain bleach!

Also evil was needing the CD to uninstall anything or everything!

Jo69 · 04-06-2020, 03:05 AM

Thanks for all your help regarding moving Calibre to my newly reset pc

Calibre is ok since my pc didn’t reset.

It started to, but after an hour it informed me it hadn’t reset! It said corrupt.
Microsoft then suggested Track your device and performance health in Windows Security
Which I did and it said No Problems
Microsoft then suggested Fresh Start which took an hour and removed all my own files of my pc
No problem as they are all backed up
But then a message came up that there were no changes as it could not do anything.

So I am sticking with my old slow pc now.

stumped · 04-06-2020, 03:11 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by Jo69

Thanks for all your help regarding moving Calibre to my newly reset pc

Calibre is ok since my pc didn’t reset.

It started to, but after an hour it informed me it hadn’t reset! It said corrupt.
Microsoft then suggested Track your device and performance health in Windows Security
Which I did and it said No Problems
Microsoft then suggested Fresh Start which took an hour and removed all my own files of my pc
No problem as they are all backed up
But then a message came up that there were no changes as it could not do anything.

So I am sticking with my old slow pc now.

once that happens, ( assuming the new PC is hardware compatible for W10) all you can do is a fresh clean install - which should work

Jo69 · 04-06-2020, 03:22 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by stumped

once that happens, ( assuming the new PC is hardware compatible for W10) all you can do is a fresh clean install - which should work

Dont know if I am brave enough to try again lol
I don't know much about the inner workings of a pc.
But everyone I have had, I have reset.. Windows ME, Xp, 7..by just pressing reset and its always worked.

Just read about clean install and too complicated for me

stumped · 04-06-2020, 04:23 AM

clean install w10 is very simple. you download media creator from microsoft onto a USB stick
then you boot from that stick and choose new install
takes 30 mins , tops
is the PC has had a version of w10 previously, then it will auto-activate.
there is some corruption in the current install ( which you knew) and windows cannot repair it or update over it. so it needs to start over

BetterRed · 04-06-2020, 05:05 AM

↑ ↑ ↑ ✔

That's what I do to new computers, but it can take quite a bit longer than 30 minutes when you include update catch ups. Depends on download speeds, down here that can be slow.

BR

stumped · 04-06-2020, 05:44 AM

fair point
with an SSD , and with media creator on USB the time from formatting the SSD to having windows running on it was about 20 mins, last time I did it
downloading media creator and writing that to USb ( ~4Gb) is maybe another 20 - 30 mins . i am lucky enough to have fast cable internet ( 200Mbs) so I tend to overlook what others' download times may be

stumped · 04-06-2020, 05:51 AM

PS what I did consistently observe( last year) is that a new install is much faster than an attempt via windows update.
with older laptops, i was seeing ~6 hours for windows update to try, then fail, to apply a feature update, whereas I could do a full, clean fresh install in under an hour on the same machine.

04-04-2020, 10:48 AM	#33
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,087 Karma: 105211945 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	I think Logo programming language is the main thing to 100% untick on a Custom Install of LibreOffice. Never understood why it's even included. It's even a vulnerability. Doing Custom Installs since 1992. Can hardly remember anything were default made sense. Also SOME big names bundle in stupid stuff now. One reason long ago for Outlook was Exchange. Then Schedules/Calendars. I think Thunderbird does both of those. MS Office: Excel and Word are excellent, or were till 2003. The ribbon is daft. The best two programs MS ever did and on the Mac first. I have Word 2.0a, basically the first update to first Windows version and you can see why every other WP on windows died. Access was always an evil addition, MS SQL and then later free MS SQL engine was better. Maybe Basic MS Office didn't have Access. Powerpoint was bought in and always horrible compared to the alternatives even in 1994. In 1995 they deliberately added extra 32 bit APIs (not needed), especially on Win95 to stop Office 95 working on Win 3.11 or WFWG 3.11 with Win32s. So they had to issue a free upgrade to the real 32 bit OS, NT 3.5 to NT 3.51. Office 95 wasn't even completely 32 bit and Win95 was essentially Win3.11 + VFW + 32 bit drivers + Win32s with only the Direct X new (to port DOS games and millstone round MS neck till XP) and Explorer shell, which is STILL inferior to NT3.x Win3.x File Manager for file copies! They bought in Visio and insisted it was part of Microsoft Office. Not sure if they wrote or bought MapPoint. Those were usually optional extras. They never did much with Visio and is Map Point dead? MS Money was promoted standalone and was pointless compared to either Sage or Excel depending on your needs. Then MS Borged in Sharepoint, then Microsoft Lync / Office Communicator renamed to Skype for Business. Exchange is was / is a mess. Originally only proprietary email protocols. Last edited by Quoth; 04-04-2020 at 10:50 AM.

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04-04-2020, 10:52 AM	#34
stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	the full install of office 2007 had lots of best-forgotten items: groove, publisher, infopath, onenote... I do still like picture manager though, it has some useful features not in the current photos app ( as at last year- my (teacher) son's school was still using publisher... i had to dig out an installer for him to use to edit pupil reports at home... )

04-04-2020, 11:06 AM	#35
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,087 Karma: 105211945 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	Oh I expunged Publisher from my mind with brain bleach! Also evil was needing the CD to uninstall anything or everything!

04-06-2020, 03:05 AM	#36
Jo69 Addict Posts: 204 Karma: 2070566 Join Date: Oct 2016 Device: Kobo. Samsung Galaxy Tab. Kindle 4 2011	Thanks for all your help regarding moving Calibre to my newly reset pc Calibre is ok since my pc didn’t reset. It started to, but after an hour it informed me it hadn’t reset! It said corrupt. Microsoft then suggested Track your device and performance health in Windows Security Which I did and it said No Problems Microsoft then suggested Fresh Start which took an hour and removed all my own files of my pc No problem as they are all backed up But then a message came up that there were no changes as it could not do anything. So I am sticking with my old slow pc now.

04-06-2020, 04:23 AM	#39
stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	clean install w10 is very simple. you download media creator from microsoft onto a USB stick then you boot from that stick and choose new install takes 30 mins , tops is the PC has had a version of w10 previously, then it will auto-activate. there is some corruption in the current install ( which you knew) and windows cannot repair it or update over it. so it needs to start over

04-06-2020, 05:05 AM	#40
BetterRed null operator (he/him) Posts: 21,737 Karma: 30237526 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none	↑ ↑ ↑ ✔ That's what I do to new computers, but it can take quite a bit longer than 30 minutes when you include update catch ups. Depends on download speeds, down here that can be slow. BR

04-06-2020, 05:44 AM	#41
stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	fair point with an SSD , and with media creator on USB the time from formatting the SSD to having windows running on it was about 20 mins, last time I did it downloading media creator and writing that to USb ( ~4Gb) is maybe another 20 - 30 mins . i am lucky enough to have fast cable internet ( 200Mbs) so I tend to overlook what others' download times may be

04-06-2020, 05:51 AM	#42
stumped Wizard Posts: 3,305 Karma: 10259306 Join Date: May 2016 Device: kobo forma, Kobo Libra, Huawei media Tab, fire HD10, PW3 HDX8.9,	PS what I did consistently observe( last year) is that a new install is much faster than an attempt via windows update. with older laptops, i was seeing ~6 hours for windows update to try, then fail, to apply a feature update, whereas I could do a full, clean fresh install in under an hour on the same machine.