Quiet times

[Greg Anos]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

I've not heard longer than 72 hours.

Here's an actual study

"Scientists discovered the virus is detectable for up to three hours in aerosols, up to four hours on copper, up to 24 hours on cardboard and up to two to three days on plastic and stainless steel."

It depends on what you are testing. The test you are quoting for for viral assay. Functioning, able to reproduce virus. The longer test was looking for RNA on surfaces, not necessarily functioning virus.

Different standards.

Plus temperature makes a big difference. The colder, the longer it remains potent. Apparently above 45-50 C, it denatures.

[gmw]

Originally Posted by Greg Anos

It depends on what you are testing. The test you are quoting for for viral assay. Functioning, able to reproduce virus. The longer test was looking for RNA on surfaces, not necessarily functioning virus.

Different standards.

Plus temperature makes a big difference. The colder, the longer it remains potent. Apparently above 45-50 C, it denatures.

And your source?

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Greg Anos

It depends on what you are testing. The test you are quoting for for viral assay. Functioning, able to reproduce virus. The longer test was looking for RNA on surfaces, not necessarily functioning virus.

I have to say that I think that everyone is concerned about how long "Functioning, able to reproduce virus" remains on surfaces.

And what longer test? I've only seen a baseless assertion.

[BookCat]

Originally Posted by cromag

My son works at an essential business and I'm his driver, so I'm on the road every day. We drive past a home that's being rebuilt after it was destroyed in a fire. While they are still working on it, the work has been very noticeably scaled back -- at any given time there are only one or two vehicles on the premises. They do have a Porta Pottie on the grounds, but it shouldn't be too difficult to disinfect what is essentially a toilet inside a big plastic box.

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I would consider appliance repair businesses, plumbers, electricians, etc., to be essential services in most cases.

That's not the case in the UK now. We're under lockdown. As I mentioned in a previous post, even vets are closed, and I would consider them far more essential.

Also, having electricians, and appliance repair people visiting your home presents a real threat of virus spread. They shouldn't be moving around the community, let alone actually entering people's homes.

As for groups of builders working on empty houses, they are a threat to each other - possibly spreading the virus between them, and a threat to others by travelling to work. They are not wearing protective masks or googles, unlike delivery men. (I've had prescription deliveries, where they were not only well protected, but put the meds outside my front door while I stood in my enclosed porch - he indicated that he wanted me to stay in the porch until he'd left.)

Things have become very tough in the UK in regard to the lockdown. No way would a repair person be prepared to enter our houses; nor would we want them to. And it is not included as one of the exceptions to the "not leaving your house or having contact (physical) with people not in your household" stance taken by the government and being enforced by the police.

For the moment, at least, the builders and decorators are not working on the house next door. I have a feeling that the old man who lived there won't be returning, but will remain with his son. The house will probably be sold.
No house sales are taking place either, and completion dates are having to be postponed for those who were in the process.

[JSWolf]

This XKCD is very relevant to what's going on now.

[murraypaul]

Originally Posted by cromag

I would consider appliance repair businesses, plumbers, electricians, etc., to be essential services in most cases.

Originally Posted by BookCat

That's not the case in the UK now. We're under lockdown. As I mentioned in a previous post, even vets are closed, and I would consider them far more essential.

Also, having electricians, and appliance repair people visiting your home presents a real threat of virus spread. They shouldn't be moving around the community, let alone actually entering people's homes.

[...]

Things have become very tough in the UK in regard to the lockdown. No way would a repair person be prepared to enter our houses; nor would we want them to. And it is not included as one of the exceptions to the "not leaving your house or having contact (physical) with people not in your household" stance taken by the government and being enforced by the police.

That is not the current advice.
In case of emergencies, or where you need maintenance or repairs, tradespeople can still operate and visit your homes:

https://assets.publishing.service.go...others__1_.pdf

Work carried out in people’s homes, for example by tradespeople carrying out repairs and maintenance, can continue, provided that the tradesperson is well and has no symptoms. Again, it will be important to ensure that Public Health England guidelines, including maintaining a 2 metre distance from any household occupants, are followed to ensure everyone’s safety.

No work should be carried out in any household which is isolating or where an individual is being shielded, unless it is to remedy a direct risk to the safety of the household, such as emergency plumbing or repairs, and where the tradesperson is willing to do so. In such cases, Public Health England can provide advice to tradespeople and households.

No work should be carried out by a tradesperson who has coronavirus symptoms, however mild.

[Mims]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

I have to say that I think that everyone is concerned about how long "Functioning, able to reproduce virus" remains on surfaces.

And what longer test? I've only seen a baseless assertion.

KEY POINTS
The coronavirus RNA was found on surfaces of the Princess Cruise ship up to 17 days after passengers disembarked, new research by the CDC shows.
Researchers looked at the COVID-19 outbreaks on the Carnival-owned Diamond Princess ship in Japan and the Grand Princess ship in California.
The coronavirus’ RNA “was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html

[shalym]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

Every form of Internet needs a cord in some part of the connection. So the term cord cutting is just wrong. You cannot have a 100% wireless connection to your TV shows/movies.

Really? So when I watch a show on my phone, using my cell phone's data plan, where is the wire? Or are you talking about the wires on the cell phone antenna that is miles away from me?

Shari

[rkomar]

Originally Posted by Mims

KEY POINTS
The coronavirus RNA was found on surfaces of the Princess Cruise ship up to 17 days after passengers disembarked, new research by the CDC shows.
Researchers looked at the COVID-19 outbreaks on the Carnival-owned Diamond Princess ship in Japan and the Grand Princess ship in California.
The coronavirus’ RNA “was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html

RNA is evidence that the virus was there. I'm not sure if it is evidence that the virus that was there can still reproduce, though. The article seemed to be more about raising questions about transmission than giving facts.

[pdurrant]

Originally Posted by Mims

KEY POINTS
The coronavirus RNA was found on surfaces of the Princess Cruise ship up to 17 days after passengers disembarked, new research by the CDC shows.
Researchers looked at the COVID-19 outbreaks on the Carnival-owned Diamond Princess ship in Japan and the Grand Princess ship in California.
The coronavirus’ RNA “was identified on a variety of surfaces in cabins of both symptomatic and asymptomatic infected passengers up to 17 days after cabins were vacated.”

https://www.cnbc.com/2020/03/23/cdc-...gers-left.html

And an important correction/clarification at the end of the article:

"Correction: This story was updated to reflect that SARS-CoV-2 RNA, not live virus, was identified on surfaces in cruise ship cabins up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess."

[Mims]

Originally Posted by pdurrant

And an important correction/clarification at the end of the article:

"Correction: This story was updated to reflect that SARS-CoV-2 RNA, not live virus, was identified on surfaces in cruise ship cabins up to 17 days after cabins were vacated on the Diamond Princess."

Thanks for posting that. I forgot to paste that into my post.

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by shalym

Really? So when I watch a show on my phone, using my cell phone's data plan, where is the wire? Or are you talking about the wires on the cell phone antenna that is miles away from me?

Shari

While you may not have a wire, there are wires somewhere in the loop to get the data to your phone.

[DNSB]

Originally Posted by JSWolf

While you may not have a wire, there are wires somewhere in the loop to get the data to your phone.

Are we counting fibre optics as wires?

[arjaybe]

When is a wire a cord?

[JSWolf]

Originally Posted by arjaybe

When is a wire a cord?

It's not a cord. But in say cat5 type cables, there are wires.