Is there an anti-LCD/pro-Eink bias on MobileRead? - Page 3

palex481 · 03-15-2009, 10:20 PM

I think there is a place for both technologies in the world of reading. An iPhone is a good complement to a traditional e-ink reader. With either Stanza or the Kindle app, you can read the same books on both devices. The reason the iPhone is better sometimes is because when I have downtime at work, I can read on my iPhone and pass it off as checking my email should someone come by. Whereas with the Kindle, this doesn't work. I always have my iPhone, not always a reader.

pilotbob · 03-15-2009, 10:35 PM

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Originally Posted by InlawBiker

Personally I can't see myself ever reading on a LCD device. Maybe they'll improve the tablet computers enough but I doubt it'll happen soon.

I have to say, I read 4 books on the Jetbook when I was reviewing it. If I had to give reasons why I would prefer another device the screen itself was not high on the list. It was sharp, clear and fast.

BOb

DaleDe · 03-16-2009, 01:10 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

I have to say, I read 4 books on the Jetbook when I was reviewing it. If I had to give reasons why I would prefer another device the screen itself was not high on the list. It was sharp, clear and fast.

BOb

The basic problem here is half the people or more in the discussion believe all LCD displays are the same. The name already turns them off to the display technology. Watches are LCD also but no body gets a headache from them. All LCD's are not the same.

Dale

amgoforth · 03-16-2009, 01:19 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

Given that you yourself do own an eInk device, Nate, you have just disqualified your own opinion. Many of us here - yourself and myself included - own and use devices with both types of screen. For reading, my view is the eInk devices are superior, due to the total lack of screen flicker, lack of reflectivity, and very low power consumption. For other types of activity, LCD clearly "wins out" due to the very slow refresh rate of eInk. I wouldn't want to write a letter on an eInk screen.

It's a case of using the best tool for the task at hand. I am typing this message on a device with an LCD screen.

I agree with Harry. I own both kinds. I would like to see a large screen, but not heavy, LCD based reader to read PDFs on, because of the slowness of the eink readers.

amgoforth · 03-16-2009, 01:24 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The Jetbook got slammed not because it is LCD. It got slammed because it's only 5" and the formats it support were not good enough. Still aren't (IMHO) until they get ePub and Mobipocket out there for it. But it'll still be a 5" screen.

If the Jetbook had a large screen to read PDFs on I would buy one and use that. I have a J

etbook and have read on it quite a bit, just not PDFs.

amgoforth · 03-16-2009, 01:28 AM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

I have the same issues ....

Not to disagree, but I bet you read more on an LCD then you realize. I know I was amazed when I recently started noticing how much time I spend on the internet.

GeoffC · 03-16-2009, 07:58 AM

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Originally Posted by amgoforth

Not to disagree, but I bet you read more on an LCD then you realize. I know I was amazed when I recently started noticing how much time I spend on the internet.

When I factor in how much time I spend reading BBC website and MR - my LCD useage is way higher. But I don't like reading longish articles on a flat screen LCD, and certainly feel uncomfortable reading a novel on one even if just to review. - mind you, it could be my age, and again my LCD useage has massively decreased since I left work where 12 hour shifts in front of screens was increasingly unpleasant.

Sweetpea · 03-16-2009, 05:32 PM

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Originally Posted by Gideon

That.

From my perspective LCD flatly sucks for reading. I'll do it in a pinch (often grab a few pages of reading on my iPhone) but still... not even a comparison.

But I'm no purist. Something better than eInk comes out I'm there. Whatever gets the job done.

I don't like those new highly glossy LCD screens on modern laptops, and cellphones.

I use my PDA for reading. It has a transflective LCD screen and is very easy on the eyes. It both reflects and transmits light. It's not too bright and very easy to read in day light. And it most certainly isn't glossy... (I'd only see myself in it...)

The main reason I want an e-ink book is because it is cool...

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Originally Posted by Marysart

What's a Karma Whore?

Seriously, just curious.

You know, I actually liked reading on my Franklin ebookman before it died on me, despite it's many major faults.
I liked the screen.
Sure, I had to angle it because of reflectiveness sometimes, but for me it was ok.
I have to mention that I have 20/20 vision though...
If I find another one used, I think I'll buy it.

And I got two, in perfect working condition

Marysart · 03-16-2009, 05:49 PM

Wanna sell one to me?

I'm serious.

InlawBiker · 03-16-2009, 06:32 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

I have to say, I read 4 books on the Jetbook when I was reviewing it. If I had to give reasons why I would prefer another device the screen itself was not high on the list. It was sharp, clear and fast.

BOb

Hmm, yah maybe I just need to be educated. All I know is, I would never take my laptop to bed to read.

If they got the screen, battery and heat issues fixed I could see tablet computers taking over. Especially since they could double as a real computer. For now though I like e-ink.

Lemurion · 03-24-2009, 10:47 PM

I've read hundreds of books on LCD, and less than one on E-Ink (I just bought my Sony Reader two hours ago). I can still read happily on LCD, but there are certain things that make E-Ink compelling to me.

1) Battery Life: I read very fast and the idea of a device that can last through multiple books is a goodness.
2) Screen Size: I can't find a 6" LCD device and while the Jetbook is close at 5" the combination of its price and format support keep it off my shortlist.
3) Daylight Reading: I want to be able to read on the porch and it's easier to find an E-Ink device that supports that than an LCD device.

For me it's not that E-Ink is better by virtue of the name, but that the features I want most are only found in E-Ink devices.

pilotbob · 03-24-2009, 10:50 PM

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Originally Posted by InlawBiker

Hmm, yah maybe I just need to be educated. All I know is, I would never take my laptop to bed to read.

Ok. I guess I don't see how you make the leap from Jetbook to laptop?

BOb

Lemurion · 03-24-2009, 11:13 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Ok. I guess I don't see how you make the leap from Jetbook to laptop?

BOb

I know I wouldn't read on my laptop in bed - but I've read more than a couple of books on my Palm TX or iPaq in bed. The backlight can be really handy when you have insomnia.

Nate the great · 06-14-2009, 11:56 AM

*bump*

I decided to dig up this thread again becuase right now I'm currently seeing the anti-LCD bias here on MobileRead.

It's rather interesting that the bias seems to be one way. You don't see LCD supporters going to threads about a particular Eink reader and saying:

Quote:

no backlight,
no color,

completely useless as an ebook reader

daffy4u · 06-14-2009, 11:59 AM

I suggested a Jetbook to someone not long ago. I'm looking forward to the PixelQi product. I'm learning.

03-16-2009, 05:49 PM	#39
Marysart Member Retired Posts: 69 Karma: 588 Join Date: Sep 2007 Location: Amsterdam Device: none	Wanna sell one to me? I'm serious. Last edited by Marysart; 03-16-2009 at 05:52 PM. Reason: to say I'm serious

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03-15-2009, 10:20 PM	#31
palex481 Connoisseur Posts: 93 Karma: 53 Join Date: May 2008 Device: Sony PRS-505	I think there is a place for both technologies in the world of reading. An iPhone is a good complement to a traditional e-ink reader. With either Stanza or the Kindle app, you can read the same books on both devices. The reason the iPhone is better sometimes is because when I have downtime at work, I can read on my iPhone and pass it off as checking my email should someone come by. Whereas with the Kindle, this doesn't work. I always have my iPhone, not always a reader.

03-24-2009, 10:47 PM	#41
Lemurion eReader Posts: 2,750 Karma: 4968470 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Note 5; PW3; Nook HD+; ChuWi Hi12; iPad	I've read hundreds of books on LCD, and less than one on E-Ink (I just bought my Sony Reader two hours ago). I can still read happily on LCD, but there are certain things that make E-Ink compelling to me. 1) Battery Life: I read very fast and the idea of a device that can last through multiple books is a goodness. 2) Screen Size: I can't find a 6" LCD device and while the Jetbook is close at 5" the combination of its price and format support keep it off my shortlist. 3) Daylight Reading: I want to be able to read on the porch and it's easier to find an E-Ink device that supports that than an LCD device. For me it's not that E-Ink is better by virtue of the name, but that the features I want most are only found in E-Ink devices.

06-14-2009, 11:59 AM	#45
daffy4u I'm Super Kindle-icious Posts: 6,734 Karma: 2434103 Join Date: Apr 2008 Location: Long Drive, Calinadia Candafornia Device: KDXG, KT, Oasis	I suggested a Jetbook to someone not long ago. I'm looking forward to the PixelQi product. I'm learning.