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[Quoth]

I think almost no connection between vinyl and paper desires. Loads of people like paper. Loads of people spend extra on hard backs or special editions. The vinyl (and cassette) is a fad in a certain demographic.

Paper has advantages over eInk and Tablets for many uses. It's complementary. The only advantage of vinyl over a CD is the larger artwork size for the sleeve.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by binaryhermit

I don't find that so strange, I mean, look at the resurgence of vinyl records in recent years.

The demand for vinyl records never went away. Just the supply. What happened recently was producers decided to stop leaving money on the table.

Why people prefer a medium that starts out noisy and gets worse with each use is beyond me (not counting DJs for manipulation purposes).

[mdp]

Originally Posted by Quoth

I think almost no connection between vinyl and paper desires [...] The only advantage of vinyl over a CD is the larger artwork size for the sleeve.

Originally Posted by j.p.s

Why people prefer a medium that starts out noisy and gets worse with each use is beyond me (not counting DJs for manipulation purposes).

Well, a stretchy parallel can be conceded, even when all in favour of the importance of paper as an option (with respect to the importance of vinyl as an option). As in: "Reasons could be found to buy vinyl-based records, even more for buying paper-based books". What I could quickly find were, as written, preferring having an owned item of polished craft and particular experience, and its selection within a rich collection during purchase.

(Incidentally: the advantage of vinyl over digital was said by purists to be the sound quality. It is probably not there anymore if the vinyl recorded a digital studio production (a not impossible to suppose perversion - sampling analogue then recording back on analogue), but that is different from the analogue recording of a performance, as it was in the past. It (the sound quality delta) may jump back prominently even to the untrained ears, if the average experience is that of compressed audio. Anyway.)

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by mdp

the advantage of vinyl over digital was said by purists to be the sound quality. It is probably not there anymore if the vinyl recorded a digital studio production (a not impossible to suppose perversion - sampling analogue then recording back on analogue),

It was never ever there in blind test or scientific measurement.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by mdp

(Incidentally: the advantage of vinyl over digital was said by purists to be the sound quality. It is probably not there anymore if the vinyl recorded a digital studio production (a not impossible to suppose perversion - sampling analogue then recording back on analogue), but that is different from the analogue recording of a performance, as it was in the past. It (the sound quality delta) may jump back prominently even to the untrained ears, if the average experience is that of compressed audio. Anyway.)

Sometimes CDs revealed imperfections in master recordings that weren't audible on vinyl. I wouldn't count that as a vinyl advantage.

[j.p.s]

Originally Posted by Quoth

It was never ever there in blind test or scientific measurement.

Some of the early CDs were made with vinyl cutting pre-emphasis baked in. Oops.

[Quoth]

Originally Posted by j.p.s

Some of the early CDs were made with vinyl cutting pre-emphasis baked in. Oops.

Though that's a production error. Nothing to do with the inherent tech.

Maybe
Also now many modern studio mixes are poor, FM stations overprocessed with bad optimod settings, DVB with too much compression, DAB with too low bit rate and also DAB TX fed with FM TX feed (pre-emphasis and wrong optimod settings).
Also radios sold in Europe with USA FM de-emphasis.

B&Q selling lethal BC to ES adaptors instead of stocking BC lamps. A proper ES fitting has the outer to neutral (which is earthed here at the meter) and the live central pin. A BC socket has no physical polarity. Hence an adaptor should be illegal.

The people developing technology rarely have control to stop stupid applications of it. Like misuse of email, cookies, scripts on the F icon etc.

[shalym]

Originally Posted by Quoth

B&Q selling lethal BC to ES adaptors instead of stocking BC lamps. A proper ES fitting has the outer to neutral (which is earthed here at the meter) and the live central pin. A BC socket has no physical polarity. Hence an adaptor should be illegal.

Can you please translate this? Does it have something to do with electronics?

Shari

[Quoth]

There are two main types of light bulb cap: (1) Edison screw in USA (ES, 26mm) and most Mainland Europe (ES 27mm). (2) The bayonet is in the UK and Ireland (BC, 22mm) and some other countries. Both come in smaller sizes.
B&Q is a UK Chain store operating in Ireland.

There is nothing unsafe about a properly installed ES, the dot is live and outer metal screw is neutral or earth. The BC metal outer is isolated and there are two contacts for the power. So the polarity of the wiring on the socket is irrelevant and also without a tester is unknown.

It's an example of a shop totally messing up the application of two technologies. Unlike making a mistake of using a master processed for Vinyl to make CDs, it will eventually kill someone. There isn't an assurance the light switch disconnects the live in some UK & Ireland homes, it disconnects the wire to one of the two BC pins. Even so the ES lamp may expose part of the screw thread, which with an ES to BC adaptor fitted to a UK / Ireland (and other countries) BC socket has a 50% chance of being live.

Edit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet_mount#Light_bulbs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_screw

One isn't really better or worse. But an adaptor for ES should NEVER be used on BC, instead someone qualified, or that knows what they are doing should replace the BC socket with an ES version doing the wiring polarity properly if ES lamps are required.

[shalym]

Originally Posted by Quoth

There are two main types of light bulb cap: (1) Edison screw in USA (ES, 26mm) and most Mainland Europe (ES 27mm). (2) The bayonet is in the UK and Ireland (BC, 22mm) and some other countries. Both come in smaller sizes.
B&Q is a UK Chain store operating in Ireland.

There is nothing unsafe about a properly installed ES, the dot is live and outer metal screw is neutral or earth. The BC metal outer is isolated and there are two contacts for the power. So the polarity of the wiring on the socket is irrelevant and also without a tester is unknown.

It's an example of a shop totally messing up the application of two technologies. Unlike making a mistake of using a master processed for Vinyl to make CDs, it will eventually kill someone. There isn't an assurance the light switch disconnects the live in some UK & Ireland homes, it disconnects the wire to one of the two BC pins. Even so the ES lamp may expose part of the screw thread, which with an ES to BC adaptor fitted to a UK / Ireland (and other countries) BC socket has a 50% chance of being live.

Edit
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bayonet_mount#Light_bulbs
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Edison_screw

One isn't really better or worse. But an adaptor for ES should NEVER be used on BC, instead someone qualified, or that knows what they are doing should replace the BC socket with an ES version doing the wiring polarity properly if ES lamps are required.

Thank you.

Shari

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by mdp

But again, you could pay with cards, I bet, in case you wanted to?

No. You can't. McDonald's? Probably. A hotel? Probably. A random restaurant/book store/what have you? Probably not. Outside of the city? Probably not.

If you're lucky, there will be an ATM nearby that will let you withdraw cash (for a fee of course).

Money in Japan
Cash, cards, and ATMs

Originally Posted by mdp

It is not "advanced" to jump on a technological bandwagon "just because it's there", as I am seeing in the - clearly decaying to a fall - western world.
Those two points - containment of unrequired pollution and privacy as a default - indicate "civilized" to me.

Japan is, according to the 2016 OECD report about literacy, the current pinnacle of the distribution of intellectual skills - and well higher than second-placed Scandinavian - Benelux countries. They probably have, in general, an idea of what they are doing.

Not sure where you're going with this, or what sort of comment you thought I was making about Japan?

'High tech' and 'civilized' are not synonyms, to me anyway. Japan is a very civilized place, (especially if you are both Japanese and a male).

But they are not the high tech, 'twenty years ahead of the West' dynamo they were in the eighties. From what I've read and watched elsewhere, they think the USA is very high tech.

[ZodWallop]

Originally Posted by mdp

He was apparently serious on the idea that people "come and pick" - wandering "customers" without a direction which are there to be attracted by random objects).

I dunno. That clerk seems to have me figured out pretty well.

[Quoth]

I've recently bought real books with real cash. I only use cash in shops.
I probably buy more paper books than ebooks, though I proof a lot of unpublished ebooks and read a lot of PD ebooks.

I only paper books in the local shops, unless I dreadfully want it and it's only on Amazon. (Book depositary and Abe are also Amazon).

[wildhoney66]

i agree Vinyl has always been there it was just before you had to special order them.well i bought Doctor Sleep on paperback a few months ago i mean i have it on hardback and i want to keep the hardback nice hence why i bought the paperback.

in fact i buy Stephen King's new book each time he comes out with one, i buy myself one and one for my brother whom i normally give to him for x-mas each year. and even at times for his b-day which he has about a month later.

[mdp]

Originally Posted by Quoth

It was never ever there in blind test or scientific measurement.

Hi Quoth, I did not want to go off-topic but you are not flagged to receive private messages. So, public it will be. This note of yours is interesting: was it measured, for example, the amount of information in vinyl? A CD digitally contains 74 mins worth (or "Beethoven's Ninth") of a 44100 Hz stream of 32 bit longs (two - stereo - 16 bit words): given that analogue media have a capacity for digital content, what would be the equivalent for a standard vinyl disc? I thought some plausible value could be computed from the density of data on a tape (to be read e.g. on a C2N), but of course the matter here is also the difference in definition, of fidelity, of the two media, cassette tape and vinyl.

This could be passed as relevant on-parent-matter if we wanted to determine how many books we could store on a vinyl, but. (It was actually done, to store binary data - programs on vinyl... There was a commercial record that contained a hidden small program for the C64, if played like a C2N - e.g. reversing the record on tape and then loading it.)

Trivia. "Now selling books in form of vinyl records... Hook the player to your reader to upload the book."