|  02-10-2020, 02:21 PM | #91 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,074 Karma: 12500000 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Okanagan Device: Sony PRS-650, Kobo Clara | 
			
			Lifestyle.  Especially when a newspaper has a section with that name.
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|  02-10-2020, 07:02 PM | #92 | 
| null operator (he/him)            Posts: 22,010 Karma: 30277294 Join Date: Mar 2012 Location: Sydney Australia Device: none | |
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|  02-11-2020, 12:52 PM | #93 | |
| Wizard            Posts: 1,074 Karma: 12500000 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Okanagan Device: Sony PRS-650, Kobo Clara | Quote: 
 I'm also getting tired of "Holy Grail." "Finding a complete skeleton is the Holy Grail of paleontology." "Not losing your socks is the Holy Grail of appliance manufacturers." | |
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|  02-11-2020, 06:07 PM | #94 | 
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 28,880 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD | 
			
			I hope the overuse of "Holy Grail" has't soured you on wampeters in general.    | 
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|  02-11-2020, 07:37 PM | #95 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,074 Karma: 12500000 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Okanagan Device: Sony PRS-650, Kobo Clara | |
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|  02-11-2020, 08:18 PM | #96 | ||
| Grand Sorcerer            Posts: 28,880 Karma: 207000000 Join Date: Jan 2010 Device: Nexus 7, Kindle Fire HD | Quote: 
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|  02-11-2020, 08:21 PM | #97 | ||
| Illiterate            Posts: 10,279 Karma: 37848716 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: The Sandwich Isles Device: Samsung Galaxy S10+, Microsoft Surface Pro | Quote: 
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|  02-12-2020, 01:14 AM | #98 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,074 Karma: 12500000 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Okanagan Device: Sony PRS-650, Kobo Clara | 
			
			Wow, I don't remember any of that.  Maybe it's time to read that book again.-)
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|  02-12-2020, 07:35 AM | #99 | 
| Unicycle Daredevil            Posts: 13,944 Karma: 185432100 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Planet of the Pudding Brains Device: Aura HD (R.I.P. After six years the USB socket died.) tolino shine 3 | 
			
			Just sayin'.
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|  02-12-2020, 12:43 PM | #100 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,074 Karma: 12500000 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Okanagan Device: Sony PRS-650, Kobo Clara | |
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|  02-13-2020, 01:47 PM | #101 | 
| Unicycle Daredevil            Posts: 13,944 Karma: 185432100 Join Date: Jan 2011 Location: Planet of the Pudding Brains Device: Aura HD (R.I.P. After six years the USB socket died.) tolino shine 3 | 
			
			Artisanal.
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|  02-13-2020, 03:28 PM | #102 | 
| Running with scissors            Posts: 1,592 Karma: 14328510 Join Date: Nov 2019 Device: none | 
			
			Along with that, in the food world at least, is heirloom.  Often meaning fruits and vegetables from seeds prior to selective breeding (aka old style GMO).  Except that selective breeding has been going on for as long as humans have been farming, although not as sophisticated as today's.
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|  02-13-2020, 04:13 PM | #103 | 
| Wizard            Posts: 1,074 Karma: 12500000 Join Date: Aug 2013 Location: Okanagan Device: Sony PRS-650, Kobo Clara | 
			
			"I could have told you that." Well, why didn't you, then? | 
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|  02-18-2020, 03:10 PM | #104 | 
| Still reading            Posts: 14,986 Karma: 111111111 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper | 
			
			Vegan Leather. It's just the same old PVC and PU made out of oil that we have had for maybe over 80 years to make really cheap shoes and jackets, but marketed at x10 the price. Almost no real leather is deliberately farmed. It's a by product of the meat and dairy industries. By all means campaign for more ethical farming and less or no dairy and meat production, but "Vegan Leather" is nothing to do with that. It's Marketing and poor for the environment (uses oil, wears out much faster, not recyclable). Look up the history and production of PVC and Polyurethane (PU). Over 80 years ago the Germans did develop a synthetic leather basically from paper, ie rags and tree pulp. Cheap paper, Cellulose, Viscose etc are made from sustainable softwood trees. Bamboo Fibre clothes are not, they are a form of Viscose made from processed bamboo. Last edited by Quoth; 02-18-2020 at 03:15 PM. Reason: Real? | 
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|  02-18-2020, 03:13 PM | #105 | 
| Running with scissors            Posts: 1,592 Karma: 14328510 Join Date: Nov 2019 Device: none | 
			
			That's what I was thinking, but then why is leather so expensive?  The processing and turning the hide into leather?  Considering how much beef we eat in the US I'd think that leather should be cheap.
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