Newbie question on all this Amazon DRM stuff - Page 3

desertgrandma · 03-14-2009, 11:09 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

We know Mobipocket Desktop 6.0 understands the K1. So are you saying that Mobipocket Desktop 6.0 has to be installed under Windows XP in order to get the PID of a K1? If this is true, have you tried it in Windows XP compatibility mode?

I"m saying mobipocket 6.0 won't recognize the kindle when I run it on my laptop. I can use it for library organization, (not as good as Calibre), but not for transferring book files.

I can get my kindle pid using igors script. The one that doesn't exist.

JSWolf · 03-14-2009, 11:19 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

I"m saying mobipocket 6.0 won't recognize the kindle when I run it on my laptop. I can use it for library organization, (not as good as Calibre), but not for transferring book files.

Do intot he icon's properties and set it for Windows XP and then try running it.

If I had a K1, I'd give it a go and see if it really works or not under Windows 7 beta.

rhk · 03-14-2009, 11:34 PM

What do you use the mobipocket 6.0 for? I have the K2 and Win7, if you'd like me to try it out.

desertgrandma · 03-14-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Do intot he icon's properties and set it for Windows XP and then try running it.

If I had a K1, I'd give it a go and see if it really works or not under Windows 7 beta.

No, see I don't need for Mobipocket to recognize the K.

And I use Firefox not explorer.

AnemicOak · 03-14-2009, 11:50 PM

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Originally Posted by rhk

What do you use the mobipocket 6.0 for? I have the K2 and Win7, if you'd like me to try it out.

It is another way to get your PID, at least it worked with the K1.

pilotbob · 03-14-2009, 11:53 PM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

And I use Firefox not explorer.

Really, to manage your files you use Firefox?

BOb

desertgrandma · 03-14-2009, 11:58 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Really, to manage your files you use Firefox?

BOb

Yes..........shouldn't i be?

pilotbob · 03-15-2009, 12:00 AM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Yes..........shouldn't i be?

Um... how exactly do you do that? You look at your c drive, your folders, your files, the files on your kindle with Firefox? Is there an add-in that does this?

BOb

desertgrandma · 03-15-2009, 12:19 AM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

Um... how exactly do you do that? You look at your c drive, your folders, your files, the files on your kindle with Firefox? Is there an add-in that does this?

BOb

Bob. Firefox simply replaces IE Explorer.

I haven't used Explorer since I got this laptop last year.

I haven't added anything.

pilotbob · 03-15-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Bob. Firefox simply replaces IE Explorer.

I haven't used Explorer since I got this laptop last year.

I haven't added anything.

Yes, I know. It doesn't replace "Windows Explorer" in any way. Usually when people say "explorer" and files that is what they are talking about. When you double click on "My Computer" or browse your hard drive and folder you are using "explorer". To me Internet Explorer is not "explorer" it is IE.

Although I went back in this thread and tried to find what you were referring to and your message was the first one that mentioned explorer.

BOb

TheMadBrewer · 03-15-2009, 12:23 AM

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Originally Posted by desertgrandma

Bob. Firefox simply replaces IE Explorer.

I haven't used Explorer since I got this laptop last year.

I haven't added anything.

I think there is some confusion between Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer -- both are often just called "Explorer"

desertgrandma · 03-15-2009, 12:25 AM

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Originally Posted by TheMadBrewer

I think there is some confusion between Internet Explorer and Windows Explorer -- both are often just called "Explorer"

Gotcha.

Alisa · 03-15-2009, 01:44 AM

My local library's ebook site has four Nero Wolfe novels available. Of course you do not need Kindlepid.py AT ALL to get them on your Kindle. So even if Amazon was actually able to keep you from getting the file, you could still read them. They're all in Mobipocket format so you could just register the PID from your desktop Mobipocket reader and use mobidedrm to strip off the DRM. If they were in PDF, there are similar scripts for liberating PDFs.

This is of questionable legality. If Amazon did actually snoop on your Kindle and figure out that you'd done this you could be in trouble. So far they haven't but none of us can guarantee they won't in the future. They reserve the right to do so.

Edit: And for the record, I don't think most Kindle owners use the library. Most people don't use the library even for print books. Upon finding out about the library ebook selection I think many would be interested until you told them they had to run scripts from a *gasp* CLI to make them work. I think most people's eyes would glaze over 10 seconds into the explanation. This is why, when asked what I do for a living, I say something generic like "engineer" or "I work with computers". One day when my mother and my sister (a Kindle owner as well) felt particularly game, they asked me to tell them explicitly what I did. They realized they had no idea. They lasted about 30 seconds before full eye-glaze. I don't even do anything that esoteric. I don't think that MobileRead is anywhere near a microcosm of Kindle owners. That's why I don't think they feared non-Amazon sales. I think they fear iPhone owners, specifically jailbroken iPhone owners, who are likely more tech savvy and more inclined to file share.

bwaldron · 03-15-2009, 11:10 AM

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Originally Posted by Alisa

This is of questionable legality. If Amazon did actually snoop on your Kindle and figure out that you'd done this you could be in trouble. So far they haven't but none of us can guarantee they won't in the future. They reserve the right to do so.

True. But if Amazon started using the DMCA against individual Kindle users in such a fashion, the negative publicity would be far beyond anything they're getting now. It would be an incredibly stupid move...but, yeah, doesn't mean it won't happen.

Me, I'm not currently concerned about the de-drm'd (but legally purchased) ebooks on my Kindle.

Lilly · 03-15-2009, 11:16 AM

Same here. Every book is legally purchased on my Kindle. They might not all have come from Amazon but I bought them all from popular online stores!

03-15-2009, 01:44 AM	#43
Alisa Gadget Geek Posts: 2,324 Karma: 22221 Join Date: Aug 2007 Device: Paperwhite, Kindle 3 (retired), Skindle 1.2 (retired)	My local library's ebook site has four Nero Wolfe novels available. Of course you do not need Kindlepid.py AT ALL to get them on your Kindle. So even if Amazon was actually able to keep you from getting the file, you could still read them. They're all in Mobipocket format so you could just register the PID from your desktop Mobipocket reader and use mobidedrm to strip off the DRM. If they were in PDF, there are similar scripts for liberating PDFs. This is of questionable legality. If Amazon did actually snoop on your Kindle and figure out that you'd done this you could be in trouble. So far they haven't but none of us can guarantee they won't in the future. They reserve the right to do so. Edit: And for the record, I don't think most Kindle owners use the library. Most people don't use the library even for print books. Upon finding out about the library ebook selection I think many would be interested until you told them they had to run scripts from a gasp CLI to make them work. I think most people's eyes would glaze over 10 seconds into the explanation. This is why, when asked what I do for a living, I say something generic like "engineer" or "I work with computers". One day when my mother and my sister (a Kindle owner as well) felt particularly game, they asked me to tell them explicitly what I did. They realized they had no idea. They lasted about 30 seconds before full eye-glaze. I don't even do anything that esoteric. I don't think that MobileRead is anywhere near a microcosm of Kindle owners. That's why I don't think they feared non-Amazon sales. I think they fear iPhone owners, specifically jailbroken iPhone owners, who are likely more tech savvy and more inclined to file share. Last edited by Alisa; 03-15-2009 at 01:53 AM.

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03-14-2009, 11:34 PM	#33
rhk Member Posts: 19 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Device: Kindle	What do you use the mobipocket 6.0 for? I have the K2 and Win7, if you'd like me to try it out.

03-15-2009, 11:16 AM	#45
Lilly Guru Posts: 688 Karma: 2090 Join Date: Dec 2007 Device: Sony PRS-505, PRS-900 & PRS-950, Amazon Kindle2	Same here. Every book is legally purchased on my Kindle. They might not all have come from Amazon but I bought them all from popular online stores!