News from CES on e-ink! - Page 2

JSWolf · 01-13-2020, 02:23 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by latepaul

Not true - I almost never stream video on my phone.

(I omitted the implied "for me" because so did you)

I watch video on my phone. My wife watches video on her phone. Many people play video even if it's just from social media.

Marinolino · 01-15-2020, 03:39 AM

Hisense 5G color e-ink smartphone

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzLZBfNrxMs

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVZL83k5aU

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R241f-krUzA

trocchietto · 01-15-2020, 04:21 PM

For me the Hisense color is great, I am a cover book lover, and also I love to highlight with different colors. Just I want not a phone but a 7 inches reader

leebase · 01-16-2020, 01:07 AM

Next year....I'm sure it will be good by next year

binaryhermit · 01-16-2020, 02:05 AM

I suspect that color eink is like linux on the desktop...
As in they've probably been saying "next year is the year of Linux on the desktop" since at least 2005.
(Posted from a laptop running Debian Buster)

Quoth · 01-16-2020, 06:36 AM

Linux on Desktop is MUCH more likely than Color eInk, because it's been viable for more than 10 years and for 20 for niche users. Win 10 is driving adoption

So not comparable. Colour eink simply can't compete with brightness & contrast of mono eink or quality of colour LCD even 20 years ago. Non-eink such as Mirasol showed some promise. You'd need a low loss transmissive four layer CYMK technology for any ambient light display. Each layer clear or translucent. White/Black at rear, Clear/Yellow on top.
Because using RGB or
RG
GB
filters on a mono display cuts brightness to about 1/4 or less, so it only works with a front light. You also need a minimum 600 dpi to be equivalent to 300 dpi mono.

JSWolf · 01-16-2020, 08:01 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by binaryhermit

I suspect that color eink is like linux on the desktop...
As in they've probably been saying "next year is the year of Linux on the desktop" since at least 2005.
(Posted from a laptop running Debian Buster)

There is never going to be a year of Linux on a desktop, laptop, or tablet.

DNSB · 01-16-2020, 10:16 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by FrustratedReader

Linux on Desktop is MUCH more likely than Color eInk, because it's been viable for more than 10 years and for 20 for niche users. Win 10 is driving adoption

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is never going to be a year of Linux on a desktop, laptop, or tablet.

I have the feeling that with WSL2, some people will argue that every Windows 10 installation could be considered a Linux installation though still aimed at devs who are planning on running Linux in the cloud. On the latest insider builds, it's not quite up to Linux running in a VM but it's getting much closer.

rkomar · 01-16-2020, 10:35 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by JSWolf

There is never going to be a year of Linux on a desktop, laptop, or tablet.

ChromeOS is linux. Android has a linux kernel. Linux will probably never take over the desktop, but predominately old fossils still use those.

4691mls · 01-16-2020, 10:42 AM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkomar

ChromeOS is linux. Android has a linux kernel. Linux will probably never take over the desktop, but predominately old fossils still use those.

I guess that makes me an old fossil then, since I just bought a new desktop...

shalym · 01-16-2020, 01:11 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkomar

ChromeOS is linux. Android has a linux kernel. Linux will probably never take over the desktop, but predominately old fossils still use those.

...and most corporations. When is the last time you saw a corporate employee with a desktop (or laptop) running linux, or ChromeOS? I see and hear of schools giving out Chromebooks to their students, but that's not much different from computers in schools running Apple operating systems over the past 20 (30?) years...and amazingly enough, Windows still has a much larger market share on the desktop than Apple does.

Shari

rkomar · 01-16-2020, 02:55 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by shalym

...and most corporations. When is the last time you saw a corporate employee with a desktop (or laptop) running linux, or ChromeOS? I see and hear of schools giving out Chromebooks to their students, but that's not much different from computers in schools running Apple operating systems over the past 20 (30?) years...and amazingly enough, Windows still has a much larger market share on the desktop than Apple does.

Shari

John had specifically said that there would be no year of linux on the desktop, laptop or tablet. It only takes a linux majority in one of those classes to make the statement wrong. If linux never gets the majority on desktops (and I agree that this is really unlikely), it still won't make him right if Android becomes the most popular OS on tablets or ChromeOs becomes the most popular on laptops. Judging by what's available for sale now at shops, I'm not going to rule out the possibility of one of the latter happening.

JSWolf · 01-16-2020, 03:29 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by rkomar

John had specifically said that there would be no year of linux on the desktop, laptop or tablet. It only takes a linux majority in one of those classes to make the statement wrong. If linux never gets the majority on desktops (and I agree that this is really unlikely), it still won't make him right if Android becomes the most popular OS on tablets or ChromeOs becomes the most popular on laptops. Judging by what's available for sale now at shops, I'm not going to rule out the possibility of one of the latter happening.

But Android would have to be more popular then all the iPads and Windows tablets. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

DNSB · 01-16-2020, 04:30 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

But Android would have to be more popular then all the iPads and Windows tablets. I don't think that's going to happen any time soon.

I think you've already lost there. When I look at sites such as Statista, Android has 60% or more of the tablet operating system share by number of tablets sold for years.

See Tablet operating systems market share worldwide from 1Q'16 to 3Q'19 for a pretty chart.

There are other sites and they show minor variances but they all agree that Android is the OS on more shipping tablets than all other tablet OS combined.

Please note that if we look at tablets by value of units shipped, the numbers change quite a bit.

JSWolf · 01-16-2020, 06:15 PM

Quote:

Originally Posted by DNSB

I think you've already lost there. When I look at sites such as Statista, Android has 60% or more of the tablet operating system share by number of tablets sold for years.

See Tablet operating systems market share worldwide from 1Q'16 to 3Q'19 for a pretty chart.

There are other sites and they show minor variances but they all agree that Android is the OS on more shipping tablets than all other tablet OS combined.

Please note that if we look at tablets by value of units shipped, the numbers change quite a bit.

You will have to come up with a different site. I am unable to see the graph because the system wants me to pay for it.

01-15-2020, 03:39 AM	#17
Marinolino Groupie Posts: 184 Karma: 2019866 Join Date: Feb 2018 Device: Kobo Aura-One (using KOReader app), Boox Note-3, iPad(s)	Hisense 5G color e-ink smartphone https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=AzLZBfNrxMs https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=JAVZL83k5aU https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R241f-krUzA Last edited by Marinolino; 01-15-2020 at 03:45 AM.

01-16-2020, 06:36 AM	#21
Quoth Still reading Posts: 14,048 Karma: 105092227 Join Date: Jun 2017 Location: Ireland Device: All 4 Kinds: epub eink, Kindle, android eink, NxtPaper	Linux on Desktop is MUCH more likely than Color eInk, because it's been viable for more than 10 years and for 20 for niche users. Win 10 is driving adoption So not comparable. Colour eink simply can't compete with brightness & contrast of mono eink or quality of colour LCD even 20 years ago. Non-eink such as Mirasol showed some promise. You'd need a low loss transmissive four layer CYMK technology for any ambient light display. Each layer clear or translucent. White/Black at rear, Clear/Yellow on top. Because using RGB or RG GB filters on a mono display cuts brightness to about 1/4 or less, so it only works with a front light. You also need a minimum 600 dpi to be equivalent to 300 dpi mono. Last edited by Quoth; 01-16-2020 at 06:38 AM.

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binaryhermit Grand Sorcerer Posts: 5,732 Karma: 20469902 Join Date: Oct 2014 Location: Lockport, IL Device: Kindle PW4, Kindle Paperwhite Signature Edition	I suspect that color eink is like linux on the desktop... As in they've probably been saying "next year is the year of Linux on the desktop" since at least 2005. (Posted from a laptop running Debian Buster)