Amazon uses DMCA to restrict where you can buy e-books - Page 15

JSWolf · 03-13-2009, 10:13 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

This is actually something that is worrying. Will the concept of a specific edition of a book survive? Suppose a book is published and you buy it and it contains some words that leads to protests. Can then a new release be made and Amazon just silently replacing the book? I suppose there is an interest with certain organizations to be able to do these kind of things.

To me it seems that we need some sort of checksum so we can check that our books are the editions we expect them to be.

You can backup your Kindle eBooks to your computer if you have a Kindle and not just the Kindle app. Then you can reload onto your Kindle and read while Whispernet is off. But turn it on and yes, it could be modified. And if Amazon was to change the DRM and update your Kindle, your backups would be useless. You see, Whispernet is not as good as it is made out to be. It allows Amazon control they should not have.

slayda · 03-13-2009, 10:25 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Doesn't matter if kindlepid and kindlefix are out there and the customers know about them. Because Amazon can see what's on your Kindle via Whispernet, they could in theory get you in trouble for unauthorized content.

And this could be something as simple as changing the PID for your Kindle via Whispernet. Then unless you turn Whispernet on to "accept" the change, you have no way of reading any newly downloaded ebooks because they have a different PID. So when you turn on Wispernet, they "update" your firmware to a new, more crippled version.

JSWolf · 03-13-2009, 10:28 AM

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Originally Posted by slayda

And this could be something as simple as changing the PID for your Kindle via Whispernet. Then unless you turn Whispernet on to "accept" the change, you have no way of reading any newly downloaded ebooks because they have a different PID. So when you turn on Wispernet, they "update" your firmware to a new, more crippled version.

I would think that Amazon could (in theory) change the DRM on your Kindle and then change the eBooks you have on your Kindle and your Amazon bookshelf so you'd never know the difference until you went to remove the DRM or Kindlefix eBooks. They could even keep the same version number of the firmware just so you don't notice even more.

GeoffC · 03-13-2009, 10:32 AM

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Originally Posted by zelda_pinwheel

i think it's particularly ironic that they should attack MobileRead the same week that we gave away a free Kindle in a contest.

obviously gratitude .....

thank you Amazon for not releasing the kindle to our side of the pond - it is much appreciated ...

nekokami · 03-13-2009, 11:14 AM

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Originally Posted by tompe

This is actually something that is worrying. Will the concept of a specific edition of a book survive? Suppose a book is published and you buy it and it contains some words that leads to protests. Can then a new release be made and Amazon just silently replacing the book? I suppose there is an interest with certain organizations to be able to do these kind of things.

To me it seems that we need some sort of checksum so we can check that our books are the editions we expect them to be.

Sounds like a good idea to pass along to the FBreader and OpenInkpot folks. (I doubt any commercial entity involved with eBooks would be interested in the idea.)

slayda · 03-13-2009, 11:36 AM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

Doesn't matter if kindlepid and kindlefix are out there and the customers know about them. Because Amazon can see what's on your Kindle via Whispernet, they could in theory get you in trouble for unauthorized content.

And this could be something as simple as changing the PID for your Kindle via Whispernet. Then unless you turn Whispernet on to "accept" the change, you have no way of reading any newly downloaded ebooks because they have a different PID. So when you turn on Wispernet, they "update" your firmware to a new, more crippled version.

TallMomof2 · 03-13-2009, 12:58 PM

I'm trying to decide whether to send my Kindle 2 back. I'm thoroughly disgusted with Amazon and sent them an email stating that. If I do decide to keep it, whispernet will remain off. I'll download everything to my desktop and load it onto the Kindle from there. That way I won't have to worry about a software update that would not allow me to read what I want on it.

Oh yeah, I won't be buying anymore products including ebooks from Amazon and when my gift cards in the MP3 store are used up I'm not buying anymore from them.

GeoffC · 03-13-2009, 01:03 PM

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Originally Posted by TallMomof2

I'm trying to decide whether to send my Kindle 2 back. I'm thoroughly disgusted with Amazon and sent them an email stating that. If I do decide to keep it, whispernet will remain off. I'll download everything to my desktop and load it onto the Kindle from there. That way I won't have to worry about a software update that would not allow me to read what I want on it.

I thought you couldn't do that ? or have I mis-read a post about this ?

pilotbob · 03-13-2009, 01:06 PM

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Originally Posted by GeoffC

I thought you couldn't do that ? or have I mis-read a post about this ?

You can if you own a Kindle and have it registered. You can't if you only have an iPhone/iPod touch registered.

BOb

GeoffC · 03-13-2009, 01:08 PM

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Originally Posted by pilotbob

You can if you own a Kindle and have it registered. You can't if you only have an iPhone/iPod touch registered.

BOb

Ok - I must have mis-read/understood a post - apologies ....

Ervserver · 03-13-2009, 01:41 PM

Amazing how companies like Amazon abuse the DMCA and nobody does anything about it..its sickening

GeoffC · 03-13-2009, 01:54 PM

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Originally Posted by Ervserver

Amazing how companies like Amazon abuse the DMCA and nobody does anything about it..its sickening

so you'll be sending your K1 back ?

cksasaki · 03-13-2009, 01:58 PM

Argh, this is just sad. I enjoy using kindlepid/kindlefix to check out ebooks from my local library. I can read things from authors I might not have tried before, which can lead to more future purchases from Amazon.

Alisa · 03-13-2009, 02:03 PM

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Originally Posted by JSWolf

The reason to target kindlepid is because without the PID, you cannot strip the DRM or even shift it to the Kindle. The eBooks are locked in to whatever they are locked into when they are purchased. So no PID, no DRM removal or shifting. It means Amazon is trying to lock you in to buying DRMed eBooks from them and them only.

If you want to buy DRMed Mobipocket and shift it to the Kindle, you just use the PID from your Mobipocket reader software. You only need the Kindle's PID if you want to use Kindlefix and leave the DRM in tact or if you want to strip the DRM off Amazon books. I think that's why they moved on it now since there is a large influx of people with the iPhone and iPod Touch that have more of a reason to want to liberate their Amazon books.

The question that remains for me, though, is whether Amazon will start snooping on my Kindle. So far, we know they haven't but they clearly reserve the right to do so. I've read deDRMed content on my Kindle and haven't heard a peep out of them. Someone also posted on the Kindle forum the other day that the Ebay seller they bought their used Kindle 1 from had left several Amazon books in the memory. They weren't removed when they registered. This to me says they're not paying any attention to what we have loaded. This may change. I hope they realize that it would be a PR fiasco if they ever did that. It would make this and the TTS thing look like a walk in the park.

rhk · 03-13-2009, 02:06 PM

I've only had my Kindle2 for a week and a half now. I bought it so I could get books from the public library here. We're relocating to Europe this summer and wanted to continue to read the library books for free. I didn't intend to purchase many books (but for the ones I did, I planned to get them from Amazon). I prefer using the library - I have for years with the pbooks and wanted to continue with ebooks.

Now, I need to figure out if I should keep the Kindle2 and worry about what Amazon will do next or if I should return it and get a different reader that I can use in Europe (don't need the wireless or text options as far as I know - I'm happy to transfer using USB/computer) with the library books....

I was so excited to get the Kindle2........

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03-13-2009, 12:58 PM	#217
TallMomof2 Kindlephilia Posts: 2,017 Karma: 1139255 Join Date: Nov 2007 Location: Snowpacolypse 2010 Device: Too many to count	I'm trying to decide whether to send my Kindle 2 back. I'm thoroughly disgusted with Amazon and sent them an email stating that. If I do decide to keep it, whispernet will remain off. I'll download everything to my desktop and load it onto the Kindle from there. That way I won't have to worry about a software update that would not allow me to read what I want on it. Oh yeah, I won't be buying anymore products including ebooks from Amazon and when my gift cards in the MP3 store are used up I'm not buying anymore from them.

03-13-2009, 01:41 PM	#221
Ervserver Wizard Posts: 2,624 Karma: 1008294 Join Date: Dec 2007 Location: Iowa, USA Device: Nook Simple Touch	Amazing how companies like Amazon abuse the DMCA and nobody does anything about it..its sickening

03-13-2009, 01:58 PM	#223
cksasaki Junior Member Posts: 6 Karma: 10 Join Date: Jan 2009 Device: Kindle	Argh, this is just sad. I enjoy using kindlepid/kindlefix to check out ebooks from my local library. I can read things from authors I might not have tried before, which can lead to more future purchases from Amazon.

03-13-2009, 02:06 PM	#225
rhk Member Posts: 19 Karma: 10 Join Date: Mar 2009 Location: Zürich, Switzerland Device: Kindle	I've only had my Kindle2 for a week and a half now. I bought it so I could get books from the public library here. We're relocating to Europe this summer and wanted to continue to read the library books for free. I didn't intend to purchase many books (but for the ones I did, I planned to get them from Amazon). I prefer using the library - I have for years with the pbooks and wanted to continue with ebooks. Now, I need to figure out if I should keep the Kindle2 and worry about what Amazon will do next or if I should return it and get a different reader that I can use in Europe (don't need the wireless or text options as far as I know - I'm happy to transfer using USB/computer) with the library books.... I was so excited to get the Kindle2........