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Old 10-05-2019, 11:28 PM   #256
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Unnecessary options is bad UI design. If your "feature" is purely cosmetic then it is unnecessary. See previous statement. Also, see my post previous to this one for my opinion about the whole thing.
But one person's unnecessary option may be a necessity to another person. I'd rather have plenty of options even if some of them are not useful to me personally.
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Old 10-06-2019, 12:53 AM   #257
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But one person's unnecessary option may be a necessity to another person. I'd rather have plenty of options even if some of them are not useful to me personally.
Over the past few days I've seen all sorts of "ADE does it this way" and "Kobo used to do it that way" and "I like this other way best" and "someone might want it" and "options are good". But nobody complaining about the changes has provided an answer to the question: why is controlling the location of arbitrary numbers on the ebook reader screen necessary?

Anyone care to provide a practical use case?
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Old 10-06-2019, 02:59 AM   #258
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No matter how you like your page numbers, I think that there is a problem here. The problem is that by changing the ADE page number algorithm to the Kobo page number algorithm they took away something that some people were used to and wanted to have.

This is just like when Amazon took away the progress bar. Sure many were glad to see it gone, but some wanted it.

In both cases having the ability to choose what you want is preferable to the company deciding for you. I think that Kobo should restore the old page #s as an option for people that want it. I don't see why we can't have both ways and make everyone happy.
If you are going to complain about a change, please get your facts right.

Kobo have not change anything related to the Adobe RMSDK page numbering algorithm. If you sideload an ePub, it will still use this page numbering.

What they have changed is how full book page numbering for kepubs is done. And this never used the Adobe RMSDK method. The previous kepub full book page numbering method use 320 words per page.

And Kobo have left you the option. Just use epubs, and you will get the page numbering you desire.
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Old 10-06-2019, 04:52 AM   #259
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I've been using this release for a few days now and I have yet to find something the old one did better.
The one thing I would like to see: Desensitize ON PAGE LINKS in the page turn area (edges) everywhere. I frequent get false selections, when I was just trying to turn a page
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Old 10-06-2019, 06:58 AM   #260
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So....which method is more accurate ADE or Kobos one?.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:11 AM   #261
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I've been using this release for a few days now and I have yet to find something the old one did better.
Well, the removing of annotation highlighting comes to mind: still does not completely works as of old.

Secondly, trying to tap the "annotation" icon is prone to get the TOC selection instead, as the latter has an "huge" sensitive area compared to the "very" small annotation icon area.

But for the rest, I agree with you: it does the job.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:22 AM   #262
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So....which method is more accurate ADE or Kobos one?.
Can you define what "more accurate" means? Then, everyone can have a long argument about it.

But, please do it in another thread.
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:52 AM   #263
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Anyone care to provide a practical use case?
I provided more than one, upthread. What you're missing in your posts is the understanding that ADE pages aren't useful for you. More than one of us have said they're useful for us, but according to you, we're wrong. They can't possibly be.

Here are some of my practical use cases for ADE numbers:
  • They let me switch between devices easily when the devices didn't sync.
  • They're a consistent enumeration across books, which means that I can estimate for myself how much longer a book will take, especially useful when reading nonfiction, when Kobo's time estimates include all the back matter, which will not be read.
  • They let me look at the books on my device and have a sense of how long they are. Just yesterday I bumped up against this; I was looking for a shorter novel but how to tell? File size isn't consistent with book length.

As of now, I'm finding several things I miss in this update and nothing I like better. But I rely on direct downloading of Kobo purchases and library borrows, so I'm stuck. (I'm not one to patch. I don't see why I should have to, to regain lost functionality.)
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Old 10-06-2019, 07:59 AM   #264
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Can you define what "more accurate" means? Then, everyone can have a long argument about it.

But, please do it in another thread.
No please no more arguments!!!!
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:24 AM   #265
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No you don't. Not having page numbers is not a better idea for eBook page numbers.

Besides, you can turn off the display of the header and footer and do away with page numbers. Or you can cjhange the page number display to a % o if you read KePub, you can set the time remaining. You do have plenty of options to do away with the page number display.
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Old 10-06-2019, 08:32 AM   #266
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As of now, I'm finding several things I miss in this update and nothing I like better. But I rely on direct downloading of Kobo purchases and library borrows, so I'm stuck. (I'm not one to patch. I don't see why I should have to, to regain lost functionality.)
By patching, do you mean fiddling in general? I seem to recall that updating can be prevented by renaming a folder/file, or creating or folder, or changing permissions on a file, or something else that doesn't require "patching." Or am I thinking of a Kindle?
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The title on top of the page is not usual in paper books, specially in "pocket" editions, although is some "deluxe" editions is not so difficult to find them. I have found very few books with the chapter title or page number on the top.
I've seen title on top of left-hand page and chapter on top of right-hand page fairly often on trade paperback or hardback editions.
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Over the past few days I've seen all sorts of "ADE does it this way" and "Kobo used to do it that way" and "I like this other way best" and "someone might want it" and "options are good". But nobody complaining about the changes has provided an answer to the question: why is controlling the location of arbitrary numbers on the ebook reader screen necessary?

Anyone care to provide a practical use case?
Other things are customizable, why not this?

Personally I don't care about the location but obviously some people do.

I just didn't like that they put the book title in with the page number in the new version. If they would make it possible to see just the page number I wouldn't care if it was at the top or bottom of the screen.
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Here are some of my practical use cases for ADE numbers:
I did not ask for a use case for page numbers. I asked for a use case for controlling where they are positioned on the screen while reading books. But for what it's worth? Percentage progress provides the same information in a more consistent form.

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No you don't. Not having page numbers is not a better idea for eBook page numbers.
See previous. I've argued my case. Your assertions that "you're wrong" are not a valid counter-argument.

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Other things are customizable, why not this?
Because it serves no practical function. It is a waste of space on the display and it is a waste of time and money implementing and supporting it.
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As of now, I'm finding several things I miss in this update and nothing I like better. But I rely on direct downloading of Kobo purchases and library borrows, so I'm stuck. (I'm not one to patch. I don't see why I should have to, to regain lost functionality.)
You can alway buy from the website, download them to your computer, strip the drm, convert them to epub and you’ll have ADE page numbers available. And same for library borrows though you wouldn’t need to convert or strip the drm since on a computer they come over as ePub.

Zero patching required and you have full access to the page number system you prefer.

I’m not going to touch on if your examples are practical use cases or not since with the above fix you get the latest firmware and a page numbering system that would be consistent on all your devices. You’d only give up buying direct on the ereader and overdrive. Neither of which directly impacts the reading experience.

Also note that as kepub never used ADE you weren’t getting ADE Page numbering without converting anyway.
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