Audible adds captions--publishers scream - Page 2

tubemonkey · 07-21-2019, 10:31 PM

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Originally Posted by jackie_w

Mind you I'm also someone who can't see the point of buying the same book in both ebook and audiobook format for 'immersive reading' (or whatever it's called) when every text-to-speech app I've ever used perfectly synchronises voice and words on the page using highlighting and auto page-turning.

Many times, the ebook is purchased first (at a discount) in order to get the corresponding audiobook at a huge discount. I've done that on numerous occasions just to get the audiobook. I then discard the ebook, never to open it.

Tarana · 07-21-2019, 11:12 PM

Captioning makes sense when there isn't a Whispersync title available. There is a huge market of babyboomers who are hearing impaired, but are helped by hearing aids. So, just like my Mom who doesn't watch programs that don't have captioning because she misses words, I'm sure there are a lot of folks who don't buy audiobooks for the same reason. There is also a market of those for whom English is a second language. Captioning helps them learn the language and not miss any part of the books.

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Originally Posted by haertig

I have not bought any Audible books. Why? Because they are too expensive. Would I buy one if they were a better value for the money (like, if they included captions perhaps)? I might. Not sure. But maybe. Publishers don't seem to realize this. They apparently would prefer to charge even MORE for an Audible book with captions. Further assuring that I would never buy one.

Given that you can get them as low as $1.99-$7.99 plus tax as a companion to your Amazon ebook, it is simply not your interest to fork out a dime. So, you aren't really their audience. And that's fine. But, but, you are also satisfied with the selection available at your library. If you are a scifi or fantasy fan, libraries aren't really going to provide you with much ereading or listening. Won't take you a year or two from start to get through everything even a well stocked library has simply because these are niche areas.

I just don't see this captioning happening with the average novel given what happened with the TTS bruhaha years ago.

Tarana · 07-21-2019, 11:16 PM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

Many times, the ebook is purchased first (at a discount) in order to get the corresponding audiobook at a huge discount. I've done that on numerous occasions just to get the audiobook. I then discard the ebook, never to open it.

Me too, although I do use Whispersync on travel days (I'm retired) and family members occasionally read the ebooks.

Paperbackstash · 07-22-2019, 08:18 AM

The only news I've heard of this, besides here of course, is a self-published author being upset about it on Twitter. She is worried about it taking money from authors if people don't have to buy the e-book version to go along with the audio and said there hadn't been consent to this, which she finds problematic.

https://twitter.com/kj_charles/statu...31163821727749

I understand her frustration and agree with the way she puts it. The legalities must allow this, I'm assuming, since I doubt Amazon/Audible would have snuck this in illegally without doing thorough research that it was okay to do otherwise.

fjtorres · 07-22-2019, 08:19 AM

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Originally Posted by Tarana

Captioning makes sense when there isn't a Whispersync title available.
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Just how common are those discounts/bundles?
Any idea?
I don't see it very often and rarely on titles I would buy.

leebase · 07-22-2019, 08:38 AM

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Originally Posted by tubemonkey

This is something I'll never use. When I'm listening to an audiobook, the last thing I want to do is read the text. Doing so prevents me from multi-tasking.

I suspect this will be a niche market and I fail to see what publishers and authors are getting so worked up about, since the consumer has to pay for a more expensive audiobook just to get this feature. And then, they don't have the flexibility a dedicated ebook offers.

Tis much ado about nothing...

Perhaps for the way I use audiobooks now, it's a nothing burger. However, I can see how new readers or those learning a new language might benefit.

I don't see how it's a threat to sales of the text version of the book.

Paperbackstash · 07-22-2019, 08:55 AM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Just how common are those discounts/bundles?
Any idea?
I don't see it very often and rarely on titles I would buy.

A shortcut with seeing which apply from your account:
Amazon Matchmaker Page

Paperbackstash · 07-22-2019, 08:57 AM

I can see publisher and author concerns. If Audible did not purchase the rights of the text and put into the price of the book to give back to the authors/sellers, then offering text when they've only bought the audio rights does sound questionable.

Apologies if it's already been linked, but Publisher Weekly posted a thorough article on it
https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/...community.html

Tarana · 07-22-2019, 09:08 AM

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Originally Posted by fjtorres

Just how common are those discounts/bundles?
Any idea?
I don't see it very often and rarely on titles I would buy.

Very common, but it all depends on what interests you. If you are not coming across Whispersync titles, it could very well be that the genres/authors that you read simply don't have audiobooks for their works.

If you go to Amazon and select Kindle and start browsing, off to the left, you can check the box to restrict books just to ones that have Audible companions. That might help you notice more of them.

Lots of my murder mysteries and science fiction choices have audiobooks. Not as many fantasy, especially fantasy pre-2009, have audiobooks.

haertig · 07-22-2019, 12:12 PM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

If it works, then it is just a matter of time until a standalone app listens in to everything and transcribes it into text.

All's you have to do is say "Alexa", "Hey Siri", or "OK Google" ... then turn on the audiobook. You'll probably find the whole thing uploaded to the cloud and transcribed for you. And a whole bunch of Amazon/Google/Apple employees will be able to enjoy reading and listening to the book as well, as they "review"

your data upload in the name of improving their service!

haertig · 07-22-2019, 01:32 PM

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Originally Posted by issybird

This is a combination of wishful thinking and projection, in total ignorance of reality.

I'm not sure that me stating an opinion on audiobook prices and possible publisher motivations equates to ignorance of reality.

SleepyBob · 07-23-2019, 10:30 AM

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Originally Posted by haertig

I'm not sure that me stating an opinion on audiobook prices and possible publisher motivations equates to ignorance of reality.

Yes, but when you look at the audiobook market over the past 20 years, they are so much more affordable now.

It used to be that the only way to get an audiobook was to pay $30-$40 for a case of CDs, when the paperback was $3-$5. Today, the effective price of an audiobook is only $10-$15, compared to $7-$10 for a paperback or kindle edition. So it seems odd to accuse publishers of nickel and diming us on audiobook prices.

leebase · 07-23-2019, 10:49 AM

I think the publishers are going to win this one. Audio and text are licensed separately. Too bad, I think it would be a nice featre

haertig · 07-23-2019, 12:39 PM

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Originally Posted by SleepyBob

Yes, but when you look at the audiobook market over the past 20 years, they are so much more affordable now.

It used to be that the only way to get an audiobook was to pay $30-$40 for a case of CDs, when the paperback was $3-$5. Today, the effective price of an audiobook is only $10-$15, compared to $7-$10 for a paperback or kindle edition. So it seems odd to accuse publishers of nickel and diming us on audiobook prices.

Lots of things are that way. I remember paying $800 for a 17" computer monitor about 25 years ago. You can now buy that size for about $65. So if they jacked up the current price to $150, would you buy one and say, "Gee, that's so much cheaper than they used to be 25 years ago!"

Comparing the cost of a box of CD's from years ago to the flash memory storage of today makes about as much sense as comparing an old CRT computer monitor's cost to a new LCD panel.

Dazrin · 07-23-2019, 01:22 PM

There might be an argument for ADA access for some books. I know I have 2 books which are not available in any text form. If this technology is available that will allow people with hearing difficulty (my aunt and uncle come to mind) to enjoy some books they wouldn't have otherwise been able to read.

Podcasts and other audio only formats could also really see a boost from this. I listen to several podcasts where having a caption would be very nice. Either due to the presenter's accent or just not hearing something clearly.

07-22-2019, 08:57 AM	#23
Paperbackstash Wizard Posts: 1,656 Karma: 20102554 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Central Florida Device: Oasis 3, PW 3 & 5, Fire HD 8 & 10	I can see publisher and author concerns. If Audible did not purchase the rights of the text and put into the price of the book to give back to the authors/sellers, then offering text when they've only bought the audio rights does sound questionable. Apologies if it's already been linked, but Publisher Weekly posted a thorough article on it https://www.publishersweekly.com/pw/...community.html Last edited by Paperbackstash; 07-22-2019 at 08:59 AM.

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07-22-2019, 08:18 AM	#19
Paperbackstash Wizard Posts: 1,656 Karma: 20102554 Join Date: Aug 2018 Location: Central Florida Device: Oasis 3, PW 3 & 5, Fire HD 8 & 10	The only news I've heard of this, besides here of course, is a self-published author being upset about it on Twitter. She is worried about it taking money from authors if people don't have to buy the e-book version to go along with the audio and said there hadn't been consent to this, which she finds problematic. https://twitter.com/kj_charles/statu...31163821727749 I understand her frustration and agree with the way she puts it. The legalities must allow this, I'm assuming, since I doubt Amazon/Audible would have snuck this in illegally without doing thorough research that it was okay to do otherwise.

07-23-2019, 10:49 AM	#28
leebase Karma Kameleon Posts: 2,960 Karma: 26738313 Join Date: Aug 2009 Device: iPad Mini, iPhone X, Kindle Fire Tab HD 8, Walmart Onn	I think the publishers are going to win this one. Audio and text are licensed separately. Too bad, I think it would be a nice featre

07-23-2019, 01:22 PM	#30
Dazrin Wizard Posts: 2,729 Karma: 75825105 Join Date: Dec 2010 Location: PDXish Device: Kindle Voyage, various Android devices	There might be an argument for ADA access for some books. I know I have 2 books which are not available in any text form. If this technology is available that will allow people with hearing difficulty (my aunt and uncle come to mind) to enjoy some books they wouldn't have otherwise been able to read. Podcasts and other audio only formats could also really see a boost from this. I listen to several podcasts where having a caption would be very nice. Either due to the presenter's accent or just not hearing something clearly.