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Who needs to read hundreds of fiction books per year? If the library charged those heavy users fees then they would have more resources to help those who really need it.
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Edit: Maybe it would help if I word it "borrowing is free" rather than "free to the borrower". Last edited by GeoffR; 07-03-2019 at 08:40 PM. Reason: borrowing is free |
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The fact that US libraries don't even make public lending right payments to authors or publishers for lending paper books makes the demands for free borrowing from those libraries especially shameful.
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Thank you for the clarification. I'm not convinced, but thank you.
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Yes, I realize that the library building does more than warehouse books. But most of ours is indeed warehouse and checkout -- the community room space is there, but it is small. Also, some libraries have major auxiliary functions like teaching immigrants English. Again, ours does not, but it still cost almost $100 a book, just for major renovations and a modest increase in table-and-chairs space. Of course, if they don't have to do renovations, the library building may be a sunk cost. So from that perspective, eBooks can indeed seem expensive. Another possibility is that they just prefer paper to electronic. Quote:
Amazon doesn't cater to libraries for paper books either. Libraries mostly use a wholesaler like Ingram or Baker & Taylor. They pay extra for services such as cataloging. P.S. Libraries do a lot more than I've listed. Children with chaotic home lives do homework there. I don't want to imply that all a library does is house and loan out books. I do want to suggest, however, that the total public library cost of ownership/leasing of a paper book, and of an eBook, for a comparable time period, seems roughly similar. I'd be shocked if Overdrive doesn't strongly consider total cost of ownership in pricing. Last edited by SteveEisenberg; 07-03-2019 at 10:20 PM. |
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Doing a quick Google, I see libraries complaining about RP's new policy, I don't recall any in favor of it. |
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leebase, what does your librarian think of the new Random Penguin policy?
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Many libraries actually limit the number of books that a specific card holder can check out at a given time. Back when I was a kid, my local library limited users to 5 books at a time. It seems to me that is a good way to manage such things. Different libraries have different challenges. Many times, libraries are at the rear of the queue when it comes to funding from the local government. The solution isn't to demand that publishers sell books to libraries at discount cost, the solution is to make sure your local government adequately funds your library if the library is important to you. |
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Just as my taxes pay for library books. Quote:
Personally, I do not want my library to buy ebooks if they are not getting value for their money. What does your librarian say about the new Random Penguin policies? |
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It's a display of reality. The article used as their example the TRAGEDY of not being able to read Oprah's latest book during it's high demand window.
That's no tragedy at all. And ebooks haven't changed the reality. No library ever buys enough books to meet the demand window of hot books. Never have, never will. But we must whine and complain about how something TRAGIC has occurred because publishers aren't willing to destroy their own business by selling to libraries cheaply enough such that cheap ass libraries could cover the demand window....taking away the vast majority of the revenue a book is ever going to receive. How terrible. We pay TAXES dontcha know....so, why should we have to buy our own books?! |
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Your paying of taxes has ZERO relation to your rights to read a particular book at a particular time. For THAT....you go to your book seller and buy yourself a book. I know...a hard concept to imagine. |
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Who will do the deciding, in this world, of what books are needful and what books are not, therefore a fee is demanded to read them? Anyone actively in school can read for free, but the senior citizen who is housebound must pay a fee if they want to borrow the latest Nora Roberts? Perhaps the fees could be based on the politics of the author? Or maybe the color of their skin, or eyes. |
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