05-09-2019, 09:03 AM | #61 |
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Not identical, it has a much smaller universe of books available.
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05-09-2019, 09:12 AM | #62 | |
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I wouldn't be surprised if they have removed your page views from their payment stats. Last edited by murraypaul; 05-09-2019 at 09:16 AM. |
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05-09-2019, 09:16 AM | #63 |
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Oh Bazz (as we would say here downunder)
I remember growing up with that one too buddy! But mate, I gotta point out just a few of names you left off your list; ENRON Bernie Madhoff & Lehman Brothers ........ happy to help out (I double checked with Forbes) |
05-09-2019, 09:18 AM | #64 | |
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I'd also quibble with "much smaller" when KOLL has some 800,000 books and KU has about 1.4 million. At that point, it doesn't matter much. What does matter is if the only 100,000 KU books which are not Amazon exclusives are all, or mostly all, in KOLL. That I don't know, but I personally never ran across a book that wasn't in both. |
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05-09-2019, 09:39 AM | #65 | |
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05-09-2019, 09:39 AM | #66 | ||
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"MobileRead's Mistyfarm rates this a 6/10" but I need more time, I didn't know they'd let me back in just yet ...... they still haven't responded to my outstanding support tickets. Quote:
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05-09-2019, 10:51 AM | #67 |
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Were you planning on telling us how many books were involved, or not? It's hard to sympathize with a complaint against Amazon for refusing to say "how many", when you yourself won't say "how many" either. Since you have gotten people worried/interested in this invisible limit on book checkouts by posting this thread, it would be nice if you'd answer the question - the information would be useful for the rest of us.
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05-09-2019, 11:47 AM | #68 | ||
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05-09-2019, 12:20 PM | #69 |
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So 100 to 900? That certainly narrows it down.
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05-09-2019, 12:22 PM | #70 | |
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General technique for quick counting: Hold mouse button down as you scroll down listing on webpage, thus highlighting all the lines. Copy-n-paste into a text file. Then (in Linux) use "wc -l filename" to count how many lines. In Windows or MacOS, I'm sure there is an equivalent method to easily get the line count of a file. And it's easy enough to adjust the final count if for example, one line from the webpage shows up as three lines in the text file (due to webpage formatting) - just divide the reported count by three in that case. Nobody is asking for an exact, confirmed, certified and verified count. Just a reasonable approximation. If the mouse highlighting above results in the accidental capture of a few extra lines, or a few missed lines, I doubt it will effect the final count enough to matter. |
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05-09-2019, 02:19 PM | #71 | |
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It's not that you went through 300 books. it's that you went through 300 books in an hour and then did it again and did it again. Scammers do this as Kindle Unlimited pays out per page read. You can Google "Kindle Unlimited Click Farm" and find many articles about it. It's just your bad luck that your legitimate behavior matches a well known scheme that Amazon is protecting against. So Darryl was right. It is a good and necessary anti-fraud measure. |
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05-09-2019, 05:58 PM | #72 |
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I wonder why Amazon decided to pay "per page read"? It's inherently impossible for them to determine that. You'd think they would pay "per book downloaded" as that is not something open to interpretation. Sure, people might download a book and not read it. But who is Amazon to care?
Amazon could simply say, "We pay authors per book downloaded, up to a maximum of 30 books per month per user". A user could still download more books than that, but if they did, the excess over 30 wouldn't count towards author payments. I dare say this would not mess with the vast majority of users. Yes, some people can and do read more than one book per day on a long term consistent basis, but I propose that they are probably few and far between. Amazon could also name the service "Kindle Unleashed" instead of "Kindle Unlimited" and publish a monthly maximum number of books that can be downloaded. They already have a limit of 10 for "books at the same time", no reason they couldn't make a monthly maximum too. There are plenty of solutions to the "fraudulent book clicker" problem - Amazon seems to have chosen the least understandable and most unenforceable one. |
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There are problems with paying by the book downloaded. If you don’t take into account the size of the book then you encourage authors to split stories into separate books for each chapter. If you do take into account size then scammers will produce thousand page books with no real content.
Even with its problems, attempting to count pages actually read tends to weed out scams and is more fair to authors. Last edited by jhowell; 05-09-2019 at 07:11 PM. |
05-09-2019, 06:16 PM | #74 |
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Oh, I don't know. Judging by how few reports there are out there where legitimate users are bumping this this unknown limit, I'd say your conclusion is quite debatable. I'd say it's all working reasonably well for the vast majority of subscribers/authors. *shrug*
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05-09-2019, 07:47 PM | #75 | |
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I'm not trying to reverse engineer Amazon's business model so why would I be busy for days calculating and coding an issue they could solve with a simple answer they already know? But thanks for the hints if they were genuine helpful advice. (Zod's click farm link is helpful, I'll look at that later) All I was getting to was that Amazon aren't upfront with the real details or honestly or in good faith providing "need to know" information to a customer....... ie full disclosure. You can't sell a dozen eggs and when the customer queries why there is only 10 in the carton and it takes a month of investigation AFTER the sale to find that "Oh we calculate in the metric system, we've decided that 10 is a metric dozen". Duh! Now, it's nice for Amazon that a lot of you blokes (or blokettes) are rushing in to take bullets for them on this issue but let me pose this to the apologists; are you in favour of the principle Innocent until proven Guilty? |
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