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leebase · 01-08-2019, 04:34 PM

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Not. You cannot sell the copyright. You will always own it until the day you die plus some years after. You can grant someone the exclusive or non-exclusive rights (or parts of the rights).

Incorrect, you can indeed sell copyright.

DNSB · 01-08-2019, 05:34 PM

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Incorrect, you can indeed sell copyright.

It is correct that you can sell or transfer a copyright. Oddly though, the expiry of the copyright is still tied to the life of the author. And then we get into the moral rights such as deciding whether to insist that you still be shown as the creator of the work.

DNSB · 01-08-2019, 05:39 PM

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Originally Posted by DuckieTigger

Not. You cannot sell the copyright. You will always own it until the day you die plus some years after. You can grant someone the exclusive or non-exclusive rights (or parts of the rights).

In this area, you can assign your copyright which is the equivalent of selling it for all or part of the copyright term. You can also do a copyright licence which allows a third-party to exercise some or all of the rights associated with copyright without worrying about an infringement suit.

See this link for more information for here: Transfer ownership (Canada).

Hitch · 01-08-2019, 06:45 PM

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I believe it's in EBay's and Amazon's best interest to police what is sold. They have all kinds of smarts and AI know how. They can sniff out, if they choose too, what is legit or not.

When I buy something from Amazon, I want to know I'm not buying counterfeit goods.

The reputation system helps, but there is more they could and should do.

Quite seriously--and trust me, I'm not supporting counterfeits, stolen property, etc.--how? It's all well and good to say "AI," but that's like the old cartoon with "...then a miracle occurs..." in the middle of the formula. AI sounds good--but what's it mean? Does it mean that Deirdre with her "someone gave me this and I don't want it and I'm reselling it" gets "sniffed out" as a counterfeiter? What about those entities that buy designer goods in Asia, and resell them? That's legit, even if US Sellers wish it weren't. I buy Asian Skin care goods on Amazon and other vendors all the time, that I'd pay a LOT more for in Macy's, etc. Ditto legitimate sellers that have EBay stores, in addition to their other online storefronts. How can Amazon possibly sniff out what's the legit, versus the not? Or eBay, for that matter?

I think that this is one of those things that sounds easy, or sounds practical when you say "AI" really quickly--but in practice, it's not. I see that sort of thing all the time--"All I need is for someone to JUST fit this PDF that was made for 8.5" x 11" into 8" x 10"," as if that's something you and Gumby can do, in two minutes or less, when in fact, that requires a whole new layout of the book. It's not "easy" and it's not "just..." in terms of "just" being able to do it.

I suspect that sniffing out "bad" goods isn't that simple. And what about the goods that aren't cheaper, but which are still counterfeit? I'll give you a perfect example of the problems inherent in assuming that "the customer knows":

I saw a raft of reviews, on some jade items (jade facial rollers, as it happens, which my sister had requested as a gift), all screaming that "these are coutnerfeit! COUNTERFEITS!" and proudly bragging how these diligent shoppers had of course, reported these nefarious Fagins to Amazon, right? Y'know WHY they knew that they were counterfeits, and unworthy of money being spent?

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"Because this so-called JADE isn't even GREEN! It's WHITE!" It's fake, fake fake! I've reported these crooks to Amazon!"

Yeah, right. Let's all rely on the (illiterate) customer to tell us what's real, and what's counterfeit, you betcha.

Hitch

FizzyWater · 01-08-2019, 07:15 PM

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Yeah, right. Let's all rely on the (illiterate) customer to tell us what's real, and what's counterfeit, you betcha.

Hitch

OMG, Hitch, I bet you'd be great fun to go drinking with. The stories you tell!

Hitch · 01-08-2019, 08:02 PM

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OMG, Hitch, I bet you'd be great fun to go drinking with. The stories you tell!

Well, thank you, Fizz! I would probably be mo'bettah fun if I was still able to drink, but I had to give up the Demon Rum nigh on 30 years ago, now. (Too many Irishmen in my genes, and in my jeans...

)

Hitch

Greg Anos · 01-08-2019, 09:24 PM

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Well, thank you, Fizz! I would probably be mo'bettah fun if I was still able to drink, but I had to give up the Demon Rum nigh on 30 years ago, now. (Too many Irishmen in my genes, and in my jeans...

)

Hitch

It wasn't ALL bad . . .

And yes - Jade comes in many colors (including white), not just green. . .

(It's the "rockhound" in me, although I'm more into fossils. . . )

Hitch · 01-08-2019, 09:43 PM

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It wasn't ALL bad . . .

Probably wasn't, but it's like Bill Bixby in The Incredible Hulk--you wouldn't like me when I've been drinking. :-)

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And yes - Jade comes in many colors (including white), not just green. . .

(It's the "rockhound" in me, although I'm more into fossils. . . )

Yup, I know. One of my granduncles was a rockhound himself, and spent 30 years of his career all over Asia, bringing home with him (some 20+ years back) a vast collection of jades and other stones. We have everything from jade that's nearly pitch black to a creamy white, and pretty much everything in-between. (I have a stunning Kuan Yin in genuine jade...) I was pretty aghast to see SO MANY posts, declaring the fraudulence of the items in such strident tones...all wrong. (I mean, hell...they could have been fake; could have been jadeite. But the color was not the tell.)

Hitch

DuckieTigger · 01-09-2019, 12:05 AM

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Originally Posted by DNSB

In this area, you can assign your copyright which is the equivalent of selling it for all or part of the copyright term. You can also do a copyright licence which allows a third-party to exercise some or all of the rights associated with copyright without worrying about an infringement suit.

See this link for more information for here: Transfer ownership (Canada).

This is not the equivalent of selling it. The copyright is the property. Included in that property are certain rights. Those rights can be sold (assigned) or licensed. When you assign certain rights you will no longer own those rights until the assignment is over or the copyright expires. License simply means that you still own the rights and, of course, the copyright itself.

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Oddly though, the expiry of the copyright is still tied to the life of the author.

That is not odd at all since the copyright itself never changes owners, only the rights within change owners through assignment.

DuckieTigger · 01-09-2019, 12:06 AM

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Originally Posted by leebase

Incorrect, you can indeed sell copyright.

The rights itself, yes, but not the copyright.

HarryT · 01-09-2019, 02:59 AM

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The rights itself, yes, but not the copyright.

You can assuredly sell your copyright in the UK. See the section titled "Sell your copyright" at:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/license-...right-material

pdurrant · 01-09-2019, 03:06 AM

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Originally Posted by HarryT

You can assuredly sell your copyright in the UK. See the section titled "Sell your copyright" at:

https://www.gov.uk/guidance/license-...right-material

It depends what you mean by sell. IMO, it's more a perpetual exclusive licence than a sale, as copyright in the UK includes Moral Rights, which (the same web site says) you are unable to sell.

HarryT · 01-09-2019, 03:12 AM

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It depends what you mean by sell. IMO, it's more a perpetual exclusive licence than a sale, as copyright in the UK includes Moral Rights, which (the same web site says) you are unable to sell.

When an official government website calls it "selling your copyright", then I'm content to also call it that.

pdurrant · 01-09-2019, 04:18 AM

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When an official government website calls it "selling your copyright", then I'm content to also call it that.

Fair enough

gmw · 01-09-2019, 06:17 AM

Moral rights have been around for a while but with sparse and inconsistent support. My understanding is that these rights are distinct from copyright, although the two are obviously closely related.

In Australia apparently moral rights only came into effect in 2000. In a note about Ownership of Copyright they say: "Creators of copyright works have moral rights in relation to what they create, whether or not they are the copyright owner."

According to the Wikipedia article on moral rights "Copyright law in the United States emphasizes protection of financial reward over protection of creative attribution."

All of which goes some way to explaining why moral rights are rarely discussed when we get into these regular discussions about copyright. And generally that's okay because they are distinct and separable, and don't change the fact that copyright is a property that can be bought and sold.

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gmw cacoethes scribendi Posts: 5,818 Karma: 137770742 Join Date: Nov 2010 Location: Australia Device: Kobo Aura One & H2Ov2, Sony PRS-650	Moral rights have been around for a while but with sparse and inconsistent support. My understanding is that these rights are distinct from copyright, although the two are obviously closely related. In Australia apparently moral rights only came into effect in 2000. In a note about Ownership of Copyright they say: "Creators of copyright works have moral rights in relation to what they create, whether or not they are the copyright owner." According to the Wikipedia article on moral rights "Copyright law in the United States emphasizes protection of financial reward over protection of creative attribution." All of which goes some way to explaining why moral rights are rarely discussed when we get into these regular discussions about copyright. And generally that's okay because they are distinct and separable, and don't change the fact that copyright is a property that can be bought and sold.