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Old 11-26-2018, 06:11 PM   #1261
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We in the Colonies are offered another title in addition to the ones above, one about Nathan Hale and the Culpeper Ring (a ring of spies for the Continental Army, I think).

I'll be interested in reading what the Editors have to say about Nathan Hale's last words before he was hanged by the British. Of course, the prevailing thought among us in America is that he said, "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country." In fact, that, like Washington chopping down the cherry tree, is a myth, so is this report. There was a wide range of reports--many conflicting-- about what Hale said; we probably will never know the truth.

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We in the Colonies are offered another title in addition to the ones above, one about Nathan Hale and the Culpeper Ring (a ring of spies for the Continental Army, I think).

I'll be interested in reading what the Editors have to say about Nathan Hale's last words before he was hanged by the British. Of course, the prevailing thought among us in America is that he said, "I regret that I have but one life to give for my country." In fact, that, like Washington chopping down the cherry tree, is a myth. There was a wide range of reports--many conflicting-- about what Hale said; we probably will never know the truth.
Actually, as I understand it the report of Hale's words at the gallows came from John Montresor, the British officer who was present.
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Actually, as I understand it the report of Hale's words at the gallows came from John Montresor, the British officer who was present.
I wasn't aware (that I remember) that there was that information out there; I've never looked into that event. Thanks.

Wikipedia adds that Montresor gave the information to an American, William Cull, while under flag of truce.

But Hale's words surely were not something that Montresor, nor Cull, wrote down--they must have been recalling it from memory. How accurate were their memories? Even if what Cull said was accurate, how long would the stories that disseminated about Hale's remark stay accurate? The problem would only get worse, not better, especially in a society where so many people were illiterate and stories that were passed down so easily got changed (for various reasons). The problem is that oral tradition generally is so unreliable.

Remember the game where a smallish group of people, in a whisper, pass down from person to person a short message? By the time that the message gets to the end it is usually nowhere close to the original message. That's the kind of thing that we're up against.

Perhaps one of the leaders in the Revolution picked one of the variants among all of them floating around and consciously made it a great rallying statement, morale booster, inspiration, etc. among the rebel troops; who knows? And once that, or another version appeared in, say, stories in the widely-distributed children's schoolbooks, and other printed material, the statement more-or-less would have become "fixed," so was not going to change over the years.

In my opinion, while Hale may have said something similar to what he is alleged today to have said then, chances are that he didn't. He may have said nothing. Same thing as with the ship's captain (I've forgotten his name), in what I think was the War of 1812, who is alleged to have said, "D*mn the torpedoes, full speed ahead." Great rallying cry, morale booster, etc., but probably not true.

And on and on we could go with stories that we have heard, and even been taught in the early grades of school.

Sorry to be Mr. Wetblanket.

(I'm not pretending to be a know-it-all about the subject, by any means--I just happen to be in the early stages of writing a book that requires a large section on orality, especially on oral transmission of stories (mainly) and other information in oral societies, too (it's absolutely amazing how accurately that people are capable of passing done information accurately when they want to or have to). I've got to start to exercise the self-control of staying away from MobileRead, however, if I ever intend to get the book finished!)

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So you don't think a society pre computers and pre public library on every corner, counts as an oral society? I suspect people were trained to remember messages exactly, as it was an important part of the culture. *We* can't remember lines today, simply because it isn't an important part of our culture.
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I wasn't aware (that I remember) that there was that information out there; I've never looked into that event. Thanks.
With no certain knowledge of the facts and insufficient curiosity to check, perhaps it would have been better not to comment so didactically?

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So you don't think a society pre computers and pre public library on every corner, counts as an oral society? I suspect people were trained to remember messages exactly, as it was an important part of the culture. *We* can't remember lines today, simply because it isn't an important part of our culture.
Exactly. And even more so, as the report of his last words was by one soldier to another soldier for whom it was critical to be able to report messages accurately.

I'll add some random theorizing of my own in that those who were to be executed, especially publicly, in a case with a lot of notoriety and where the cause was so important, planned out their last words. They didn't extemporize at the last minute. Hale would have wanted his speech to be memorable and to count.

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Stephen Kotkin is a very learned man. He is professor at Princeton University. He is a fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Much more important is the fact that he sounds remarkably like Joe Pesci.

He has also written a multi-volume biography of Josepth Stalin. The first volume is on sale for $2.99 at Amzaon.com. Stalin: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928

The Audible version, unfortunately, is not read by Joe Pesci.
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Stephen Kotkin is a very learned man. He is professor at Princeton University. He is a fellow at Stanford University's Hoover Institution. Much more important is the fact that he sounds remarkably like Joe Pesci.

He has also written a multi-volume biography of Josepth Stalin. The first volume is on sale for $2.99 at Amzaon.com. Stalin: Paradoxes of Power, 1878-1928

The Audible version, unfortunately, is not read by Joe Pesci.
Get the audio narration for only $5.99. That sounds like a lot, added to the required $2.99 price for the book, but the book is nearly 1,000 pages. That qualifies, IMHO, as having great "bang for the book."
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Great find. However, the link is to the $17.70 (Ack!) hardcover. Here's a link to the Kindle.
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